(2012-08-30 01:31)Kiz Wrote:  [*] A MED should be given the same street rights as a COP - MEDs should be allowed to pass traffic and should gain priority on the road when in a state of Emergency. This state of emergency is only accessible when responding to a call, they should be able to respond to a 'call' when a 'major crash' is reported, at which time they are able to use Siren[+/-] and legally use strobes, once at the scene, their rights to use Siren[+/-] are revoked until another major incident is reported.

(2012-08-31 14:36)Nitros Wrote:  

(2012-08-30 01:31)Kiz Wrote:  [*] To counter any abuse of this system, there should be a limit of the number of MEDs allowed on the server in relation to how populated the server is at that time, I'd say 3 MEDs maximum on a fully populated server.

[*] To further counter any abuse, if a members COP rights are revoked so are their MED rights.

This would not counter abuse, only reduce the number of people who can abuse it at any one time to 3, and people who have not been caught being a bad cop I the past.

The scope for abuse is my main concern with any MED idea in the past, and I haven't read a suggestion which guarantees little possibility for abuse yet. If you can think of a way without too much modification to insim, then you will have a winner.

(2012-09-04 06:10)Lukey747 Wrote:  I agree with what you said Kiz, just apart from the bit where you said if you lose your cop rights, you lose your med rights. I don't think that's comepletly fair, because unfortunately I recently lost my cop rights, and because I loved being a cop so much, being a medic is the only thing that really interests me anymore. If you get rid of someones med and cop rights, they don't have much to keep them going on the tc srver, epecially someone like me who doesn't particularly enjoyed being chased, I enjoyed driving fast with sirens on.

• Many 'major' crashes don't result in the road being blocked, infact the people just continue driving - With this system Med's will be able to drive with lights and sirens to 'crash scenes' where there are no crashed people
• Some minor crashes are actually major in the sense that it ends with a vehicle rolled over blocking the road - these accidents won't be registered by InSim and thus they can't get to the scene fast.
• Meds should have limited siren priveledges. IE, they can speed, but they're not allowed onto the wrong side of the road, sounds fair?
• Some may not see this as an issue but the MED tag may start to be used as a tow tag when tow's are not online since it offers siren permissions getting to crashes and has enhanced benefits such as !hazard which you are suggesting we take away from tow's. Not necessarily a bad thing but pretty much kills the roleplay element med's were meant to bring in the first place
• It was suggested that we limit to 1 !join per accident but what about accidents that block both directions..?
  
  

(2012-09-04 08:35)Lukey747 Wrote:  Surely if I lost my cop rights, I would take more care to keep my medic rights?

(2012-09-04 08:29)Tommer Wrote:  Just read through this thread and i'd like to say I support the idea..

.. But only to an extent, there are some issues that need resolving first.

• Many 'major' crashes don't result in the road being blocked, infact the people just continue driving - With this system Med's will be able to drive with lights and sirens to 'crash scenes' where there are no crashed people
• Some minor crashes are actually major in the sense that it ends with a vehicle rolled over blocking the road - these accidents won't be registered by InSim and thus they can't get to the scene fast.
• Meds should have limited siren priveledges. IE, they can speed, but they're not allowed onto the wrong side of the road, sounds fair?
• Some may not see this as an issue but the MED tag may start to be used as a tow tag when tow's are not online since it offers siren permissions getting to crashes and has enhanced benefits such as !hazard which you are suggesting we take away from tow's. Not necessarily a bad thing but pretty much kills the roleplay element med's were meant to bring in the first place
• It was suggested that we limit to 1 !join per accident but what about accidents that block both directions..?
  
  

Food for thought

(2012-09-04 08:35)Lukey747 Wrote:  Surely if I lost my cop rights, I would take more care to keep my medic rights?

(2012-09-04 09:08)PeePee Wrote:  Thought id add something here;

Until something becomes implimented that [MED] would be a more unique and in some ways an independant unit, I believe that [TOW] should be getting more attention than it currently is receiving. Also, having it become a more attractive unit to 'RP'.

(2012-09-04 14:34)Mr. NB Wrote:  Lukey, dont bother mate, i respect all the time you are putting in writing this, but this has been discussed many times before and if InSim maker does not like it (which he obviously do not), you can write ten pages long text and you will change nothing.

Save yourself some time mate, but as i said, i respect your effort.

(2012-09-04 14:12)Lukey747 Wrote:  Kiz, do you actually know why I was revoked? I was catching up to someone who was speeding, but I forgot to put my siren on. Does that sound like severe abuse? I got them revoked trying to help keep TC a noob free, safe place to drive. I deeply regret that I have them revoked, and am truly gutted. But I didn't ram anyone, go wrongside, swear or drive dangerously. I truly do care about this medic issue, and really believe that it should be an official role. I've even spent time writing a detailed medic guide. I know what I did as a cop was wrong, but surely after losing my cop rights, I would take more care in a medic position. A you can see, I am passionate about this issue, and would like to put some sort of specialised medic training program together. Would you like to help me Kiz?
I also understand, Ras, that yes some cops who get revoked might see medic as a backup option. But, as I mentioned I would like to put up some sort of medic training scheme to help make sure that they will take the opportunity seriously. Maybe we should do a sort of special medic training program for cops who have been revoked, to make sure they can be trusted. I would certainly be happy to donate my free time to do that.

(p.s sorry about the rant)

(2012-09-04 08:29)Tommer Wrote:  Just read through this thread and i'd like to say I support the idea..

.. But only to an extent, there are some issues that need resolving first.

• Many 'major' crashes don't result in the road being blocked, infact the people just continue driving - With this system Med's will be able to drive with lights and sirens to 'crash scenes' where there are no crashed people
• Some minor crashes are actually major in the sense that it ends with a vehicle rolled over blocking the road - these accidents won't be registered by InSim and thus they can't get to the scene fast.
  

(2012-08-31 17:52)Bez Wrote:  You could also implant a method where if its not a serious crash and they aren't blocking the road they just use !calltow and for serious crashes where the road needs to be cautioned or needs hazard signs they could use !callemg < this alerts the tow and a MED at the same time.

(2012-09-04 15:18)Kiz Wrote:  It's actually me that wrote the thread in the first place O.o This is the second time Lukey has been mistaken as the OP.

But either way, surely TC should be more entered around the community, not around the fact that the creator doesn't want something. I understand he may not want it in game, but if that's the case, TC should at-least make it clear that the valid reason for not having an inSim MED system is because Chuck (I assume) doesn't want it in the game instead of dressing it up with all of this abuse non-sense. If I'd known that the reasoning behind this was purely to do with the administrators not wanting it full-stop, I wouldn't have written the thread.