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RE: About boundaries - Savy - 2014-02-08 12:15
(2014-02-08 11:38)Ras Wrote:(2014-02-08 11:10)Chuck Wrote: Common sense never solved any problems, but only caused themCommon sense is what prevent problems, but the thing is not all people have common sense, meaning there will be problems anyways.
This.
If people had common sense the server itself would be a lot better, but sadly only about 1% of the server have common sense.
RE: About boundaries - Warped - 2014-02-08 12:22
(2014-02-08 12:02)Snake Wrote: People simply shouldn't do jokes about things like this, it's like I would do jokes about Hitler, jews and WW2. That's something you don't do because you know what happened back there and it's nothing "funny", or don't you think so and it's alright to say stupid stuff about this because people "only died" there? There are quite a few americans playing on the server, maybe one of them lost their parents on 9/11, who knows. Terrorism or War's weren't made to do jokes about them, people do a minute of silence every year on 9/11 and everyone should respect what happened there.This.
On the second note, people like these kind of "jokes" because they haven't experienced it. You can imagine a person who's driving around [TC] and suddenly a "joke" like that comes up, one eventually starts remembering how one lost his parent(s) and how tragic it was. Nobody knows what would happen to the person afterwards, physically or mentally.
RE: About boundaries - Ras - 2014-02-08 12:32
(2014-02-08 12:03)Pipa Wrote:Not calling anyone sick, i'm calling the jokes sick. You must expect this kind of reaction with this subject.(2014-02-08 11:45)Ras Wrote: Surely, there are other, more appropriate, ways to joke. I don't see how it's necessary to use terrorism in jokes. That's just disgusting.
Could we please stop calling the other sick or anything, thats not really helping at all and will lead to a poor argument with either people stop commenting or retaliating.
Obviously there are more appropriate jokes, but these jokes can be painfully funny to me and a lot of other people and simply denying that won't help the argument. I have no problem taking them elsewhere and never said TC is supposed to tolerate it.
Simple example - don't click when easily offended (Click to View)
I certainly wouldn't want to listen to these kind of jokes, so i'm glad you personally won't do it in public, but obviously others don't have that kind of common sense. And that example is just another one that is a bit disgusting, but at least there you'd know that's what you will get to read. When someone throws out a joke like that in the public chat on the servers, anyone offended by it doesn't have the possibility to avoid it.
RE: About boundaries - Weelob - 2014-02-08 12:44
It's all about where you express your jokes, if the forum you do it in accepts it or not. Your link Pipa is from /r/meanjokes, and like the name it's for jokes that is a little bit more offensive than any other. If you posted those elsewhere they wouldn't be upvoted as much as they did there. If it's in a environment like ours where this isn't normally allowed and where everybody is asked to keep behave nicely and friendly, then a joke about 911 or such events isn't really tolerated. Personally I don't mind, but to be the big community that we are and have so many different people from everywhere in the world joining, we have to respect each other and that people may be offended if a joke is a little bit more offensive than normally.
RE: About boundaries - Pipa - 2014-02-08 12:56
(2014-02-08 12:32)Ras Wrote: I certainly wouldn't want to listen to these kind of jokes, so i'm glad you personally won't do it in public, but obviously others don't have that kind of common sense. And that example is just another one that is a bit disgusting, but at least there you'd know that's what you will get to read. When someone throws out a joke like that in the public chat on the servers, anyone offended by it doesn't have the possibility to avoid it.
Fair enough.
Well i feel there are two sides of it. In this case it was pretty clear that the joke was out of order, but sometimes people cross the line unintentionally. Other examples are that people share an oppinion that isn't very popular and can offend people heavily.
There are a lot of cases that mainly depend if the person that sees it takes offense to it or not. I know this was handled quite harshly in the past and i am not saying Snake did anything wrong, she didn't.
But the internet in that aspect is much more liberal and people can quickly forget that we are really strict in that aspect.
So it would probably help both sides if the first offence does not cost you your neck.
RE: About boundaries - Weelob - 2014-02-08 13:14
I agree that first offend shouldn't be banable for more than 48 hours, kick or even just a warning. If the behaviour continues then a long ban is in order.
RE: About boundaries - Mikee - 2014-02-08 13:39
It's just something you don't say in a public server, end of.
(2014-02-08 13:14)Weelob Wrote: I agree that first offend shouldn't be banable for more than 48 hours, kick or even just a warning. If the behaviour continues then a long ban is in order.
Difference in this case was that he has server kick/bans/fines for offensive language so it's linked.
RE: About boundaries - Chuck - 2014-02-08 14:00
(2014-02-08 12:15)Savy Wrote:(2014-02-08 11:38)Ras Wrote:(2014-02-08 11:10)Chuck Wrote: Common sense never solved any problems, but only caused themCommon sense is what prevent problems, but the thing is not all people have common sense, meaning there will be problems anyways.
This.
If people had common sense the server itself would be a lot better, but sadly only about 1% of the server have common sense.
Thing is, there is no "common" sense since people are simply too different. Even just within TC, opinions sometimes differ by 100% depending on the subject. Multiply that with the number of people playing on our servers and you see how much, or less, remains in common.
RE: About boundaries - Petsu - 2014-02-08 14:14
Oh, this is surprising, i am not the only one who thinks so
But the fact is that the guy who got banned from making the joke, might not feel anything when talking about 9/11, and thats why he made joke about it, because he just might think nobody gets offended on such a thing. But instead if someone talks about, hmm, nice car crash someone had on server, someone might just go nuts because his/hers parents have died on one, but never gets to tell admins about it because of the pain it causes and might do something reckless. I havent never seen anyone getting banned for complimenting someones crash 
The thing im just trying to point out, is that different people think things differently and if it really is not just horrible (9/11 happened like 13 years ago? someone might not think it as awful anymore), warning should be enough for the first line/time :/
As people said before, common sense doesnt work on internet, not everyone has it and it shouldnt be relied on when thinking if admins need to ban..
RE: About boundaries - Mikee - 2014-02-08 14:25
(2014-02-08 14:14)petsu Wrote: Oh, this is surprising, i am not the only one who thinks so
He was banned because someone had report him for this, therefor offending a user. On a topic such as 9/11 of course people will get offended, if you honestly think people won't get offended by this then you seriously need to watch what you say.
RE: About boundaries - Snake - 2014-02-08 14:30
(2014-02-08 14:14)petsu Wrote: [...] I havent never seen anyone getting banned for complimenting someones crash
The thing im just trying to point out, is that different people think things differently and if it really is not just horrible (9/11 happened like 13 years ago? someone might not think it as awful anymore), warning should be enough for the first line/time :/
As people said before, common sense doesnt work on internet, not everyone has it and it shouldnt be relied on when thinking if admins need to ban..
It's a pretty unusual way to compare 9/11 with a "funny" crash, it's about the thing he said and not commenting on a crash.
WW2 is almost 70 years ago and no one is joking about it, it doesn't matter how long ago it was.
EVERYONE has common sense but most aren't using it because they think it's fine to act however they want on the internet.
RE: About boundaries - Audiojack - 2014-02-08 16:12
(2014-02-08 14:30)Snake Wrote: WW2 is almost 70 years ago and no one is joking about it, it doesn't matter how long ago it was.
I do often joke about WW2 in real life and with some of my online friends, so you shouldn't say that
I would tell a joke here but you (and potentially others) would be offended so I'll pass. You're missing some great material though.
RE: About boundaries - Pipa - 2014-02-08 16:18
(2014-02-08 14:30)Snake Wrote: EVERYONE has common sense but most aren't using it because they think it's fine to act however they want on the internet.
To be fair for new users that don't instantly find the rules or even if they do, it is quite hard to judge what is acceptable or not.
There are quite a lot of multiplayer servers that allow offensive or as you would call sick jokes, with hardly anyone taking offence.
If some of them go beyond the taste of what is acceptable they usually tell you and leave it at that.
A lot of people do think what they say on the internet, it is just that sometimes you need a hint in the right direction.
RE: About boundaries - Snake - 2014-02-08 16:18
(2014-02-08 16:12)Audiojack Wrote: I do often joke about WW2 in real life and with some of my online friends, so you shouldn't say that
Haven't said I don't do jokes about this stuff myself, but I respect others and I know others might be offended by it. Means I keep this stuff to myself on a public server with people from all over the world and different religions. It's a completely different situation if you tell jokes like this to friends you know or to random people on a server.
RE: About boundaries - Makee - 2014-02-08 16:20
Well said Pipa.
RE: About boundaries - Savy - 2014-02-08 16:32
(2014-02-08 16:18)Pipa Wrote:(2014-02-08 14:30)Snake Wrote: EVERYONE has common sense but most aren't using it because they think it's fine to act however they want on the internet.
To be fair for new users that don't instantly find the rules or even if they do, it is quite hard to judge what is acceptable or not.
There are quite a lot of multiplayer servers that allow offensive or as you would call sick jokes, with hardly anyone taking offence.
If some of them go beyond the taste of what is acceptable they usually tell you and leave it at that.
A lot of people do think what they say on the internet, it is just that sometimes you need a hint in the right direction.
It's like you said, its only done on the internet because they know they can't be touched. You seriously think most of you would travel to America, go to New York and say this joke? I highly doubt it, and why is that? Because if they did that people could actually touch them and do something about it, but because its online they think its okay to say these things because they're protected by a pc?
Let's be honest, none of you would go and say random jokes like this to people's face who you don't know. Because you will probably get punched.
RE: About boundaries - Audiojack - 2014-02-08 16:47
(2014-02-08 16:32)Savy Wrote: Let's be honest, none of you would go and say random jokes like this to people's face who you don't know. Because you will probably get punched.
That's called self preservation
RE: About boundaries - Pipa - 2014-02-08 16:49
(2014-02-08 16:32)Savy Wrote: It's like you said, its only done on the internet because they know they can't be touched. You seriously think most of you would travel to America, go to New York and say this joke? I highly doubt it, and why is that? Because if they did that people could actually touch them and do something about it, but because its online they think its okay to say these things because they're protected by a pc?
Let's be honest, none of you would go and say random jokes like this to people's face who you don't know. Because you will probably get punched.
I think what you mean could actually rather be insulting/bullying. If i make this type of joke infront of somebody that i know can't take it, then i would certainly regard that as insulting/bullying.
What i was rather speaking of were people that make jokes which completely miss their audience, they weren't doing it intentionally they just didn't know they weren't allowed and people will take offence.
Sort of like accidently asking somebody if they were pregnant and they weren't.
Or intentional example: asking batman what he will buy his mother for mothersday.
RE: About boundaries - Tom - 2014-02-08 18:11
i got bored reading half of this but i find the whole banning thing on tc has changed alot of it seems to be Favorited between certain players, either if it was a joke or serious.. a warning before a ban should of been necessary but that's my opinion on it, alot of people here take things way to serious at the end of the day its a game we go on to enjoy, now do so enjoy it instead of crying over it
RE: About boundaries - Petsu - 2014-02-08 18:21
Im glad Pipa got what i was after and is better explaining it because i cant
My way of thinking is too complicated and i cant put it out as words 