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RE: URS - Suggestion - Ash - 2015-04-18 11:56
Developing on what Pete said, we would not have the man hours to discuss individual cases when there would be individuals who feel they have unfair entries on their record.
It's best leaving how it's always been, private and confidential.
RE: URS - Suggestion - Luke - 2015-04-18 12:00
I personally don't see why you want to see your URS? We only really take note of recent entries (obviously past ones are to consider if it's related to the offence, but it plays no part in the length or severity of the punishment, it's a logged database)
As it's been said, you will know whether your URS is good or bad because you would receive a warning, ban, unban, fine or restriction and it's kind of hard to forget them sort of punishments and if you have forgotten about them then it's likely they are not going to be relevant if you are to receive another punishment (unless you are a blatant rule breaker). That's all you need to know, there's nothing special about it other than Admins are the only people who can use it for the benefits of making a suitable decision among your punishments.
As for the teams thing. Even though it would be beneficial on your decision in some cases, you don't have any more right than anyone else to see confidential information. Even the training team ran by [TC] is only allowed limited information (information on which you are allowed to know your self), the rest is up to you to observe and that's how it should stay in my opinion. If Admin's flag something up, they will likely inform you if it's any of your concern.
That's my rant over
RE: URS - Suggestion - Stephen - 2015-04-18 12:12
The URS is supposed to be private for TC members only. If we start letting everyone see their own URS, what do you think people will do first? share it out to everyone on the server, it won't be so private anymore is it? You could think of all the judging/argument going on in the servers as well, 'x user was saying racist things, i'm going to pick a fight with him'.
It would create more problems than it solves making it public, even to yourself.
I don't see it ever happening.
RE: URS - Suggestion - Owl - 2015-04-18 14:57
Thanks to all your helpful replies, looks like I didn't understand how confidential and the risks of letting people have access to them. Sorry if it caused a rant, it wasn't supposed to, you may noe lock this thread if needs be.
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RE: URS - Suggestion - Adorable - 2015-04-18 15:19
Simply take a screenshot of every Warning / Kick and you'll be able to see your own URS In your screenshots folder
RE: URS - Suggestion - Luke - 2015-04-18 15:33
(2015-04-18 15:19)Mr.AD Wrote: Simply take a screenshot of every Warning / Kick and you'll be able to see your own URS In your screenshots folder
A bit excessive, but works :')
(2015-04-18 14:57)Skoda Wrote: Thanks to all your helpful replies, looks like I didn't understand how confidential and the risks of letting people have access to them. Sorry if it caused a rant, it wasn't supposed to, you may noe lock this thread if needs be.
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Suggestions like these aren't "rants" just heated discussions, trust me the [TC] discussions are the same if not more heated
so don't worry about that.Even though it's pretty much summed up that it's not going to happen in such a way, the thread will remain open for any reasonable suggestions that someone may want to bring up.
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RE: URS - Suggestion - KaraK - 2015-04-18 15:45
It would be great to have something like it, however as said before, I doubt it's ever going to happen.
A simplified viewing website which would only show you your fines, kicks and bans would already be a great step in the right direction.
RE: URS - Suggestion - Sebas - 2015-04-18 15:50
Why would you even want to have access to that? I've been on TC for a while and I can remember every thing that happened to me (Besides maybe some swearing fines).
If you need access to your URS to remember what you have done wrong maybe you should think about straightening your attitude on the server then.
RE: URS - Suggestion - KaraK - 2015-04-18 15:56
(2015-04-18 15:50)Sebas Wrote: Why would you even want to have access to that? I've been on TC for a while and I can remember every thing that happened to me (Besides maybe some swearing fines).
If you need access to your URS to remember what you have done wrong maybe you should think about straightening your attitude on the server then.
It's your own record. It's about you - You should be able to have at least a bit of access to it.
As far as I know you can review your police files, why wouldn't you be able to review your URS?
By all means, make it anonymous, so no one can see who made the entry.
RE: URS - Suggestion - Sebas - 2015-04-18 16:10
(2015-04-18 15:56)KaraK Wrote:(2015-04-18 15:50)Sebas Wrote: Why would you even want to have access to that? I've been on TC for a while and I can remember every thing that happened to me (Besides maybe some swearing fines).
If you need access to your URS to remember what you have done wrong maybe you should think about straightening your attitude on the server then.
It's your own record. It's about you - You should be able to have at least a bit of access to it.
As far as I know you can review your police files, why wouldn't you be able to review your URS?
By all means, make it anonymous, so no one can see who made the entry.
I totally agree on the fact that "It's yours" and you should somewhat be granted access to it. On the other-hand, i'm pretty sure that giving access to it would create friction between some players and TC admins. Furthermore, access to said file could create conflicts when discussing Kick/Bans of problematic players because they may see their offenses "less dramatic" than what TC admins think. I'm not here to take either side but i'm confident that they take the best action possible in each case. Giving the user access to its file would simply add some fuel to the fire in case of an argument.
RE: URS - Suggestion - Pipa - 2015-04-18 16:18
(2015-04-18 15:56)KaraK Wrote: It's your own record. It's about you - You should be able to have at least a bit of access to it.
As far as I know you can review your police files, why wouldn't you be able to review your URS?
We are not a public service provided by your government, so there is absolutely no obligation to share any information.
For example if i write personal notes into a book about the people i meet everyday, then all that information in there belongs to me and nobody else has any right to view it.
RE: URS - Suggestion - Howlin - 2015-04-18 16:20
This suggestion is fueled by nothing more than curiosity.
There's absolutely no need for anyone but [TC]'s to see URS files, if you need to know what you did wrong in the case of an unban request etc you will be told all the relevant information should you request it.
The URS is simply a logging tool for us admins to record what happened so that other admins may take that into account when deciding the next course of action should the player break the same rule. As people above have said, it would only cause more annoyance within the community, most likely create more work for us as admins and for no good reason.
Technically, you should just follow the rules anyways rather than needing to see a confidential file about what you've done in the past.
RE: URS - Suggestion - Ash - 2015-04-18 16:23
The only bit of personal data stored about you as the end user is purely your LFS Username. Therefore we are under absolutely no obligation to release any privately logged details.
Actually, we dont save a single bit of information about you. It is about the game account rather than an invidiual.
RE: URS - Suggestion - R.Fiets - 2015-04-18 20:18
I haven't seen any Admin/Limad who say, why not. URS, so far i understand, is silent weapon for admins. "Everything" you did or did not, might be there. You can tell me what ever you want, how does it look like/where and what for you use it, I don't trust anything I have never seen. Proof me that there aren't some yolo-dots on my URS.
RE: URS - Suggestion - Sebas - 2015-04-18 20:37
(2015-04-18 20:18)R.Fiets Wrote: I haven't seen any Admin/Limad who say, why not. URS, so far i understand, is silent weapon for admins. "Everything" you did or did not, might be there. You can tell me what ever you want, how does it look like/where and what for you use it, I don't trust anything I have never seen. Proof me that there aren't some yolo-dots on my URS.
Why is everybody so afraid that the information "hidden" in their URS file is considered a silent weapon for admins? AFAIK, it only relates stuff in regards to disrespecting the rules of the server itself. I'm pretty sure they don't use it to type stuff like "I hate that guy, please ban him for 365 days next time." but pretty much stuff like "Still drifting the roundabout, next time will have harsher mesures".
I don't understand why people really want to have access to this information.
(2015-04-18 16:20)Howlin Wrote: This suggestion is fueled by nothing more than curiosity.This. Pretty much this.
(2015-04-18 16:23)Ash Wrote: The only bit of personal data stored about you as the end user is purely your LFS Username. Therefore we are under absolutely no obligation to release any privately logged details.Nothing more to add to that. When the teams do a recruitment period, do they share the personal details on wether or not they choose the guy? Nope. And even if they do, they do it in private if it is relevant.
Actually, we dont save a single bit of information about you. It is about the game account rather than an invidiual.
RE: URS - Suggestion - Nick - 2015-04-18 20:39
To those of you that wish to view your URS, all you have to do is succeed at the next [TC] Recruitment.
RE: URS - Suggestion - Luke - 2015-04-18 21:12
(2015-04-18 20:18)R.Fiets Wrote: I haven't seen any Admin/Limad who say, why not. URS, so far i understand, is silent weapon for admins. "Everything" you did or did not, might be there. You can tell me what ever you want, how does it look like/where and what for you use it, I don't trust anything I have never seen. Proof me that there aren't some yolo-dots on my URS.
[TC] is a team of 25 selected members and a management of 5. It's not a team of yobos that write complete nonsense on somebodies profile
In the incredibly unlikely event of an Admin writing inappropriate material on somebody's URS account, at least 1 person out of the 25 will notice it in the recent entries. There's a management for a reason and not a small management which has the possibility of being biased.
No need for people to be concerned at all about what is on there URS. They just need to be concerned at keeping things OFF there URS by behaving
RE: URS - Suggestion - Owl - 2015-04-18 21:40
But the thing is, if its called the User Reporting System, that's surely a biword for ourselves can access it to. If it was called the ARS (Admin Record System) I would understand.
RE: URS - Suggestion - BP - 2015-04-18 21:46
IMO you can't really argue to change the functionality of an entire system based on what it was entitled 8 years ago.
You've been given the reasons why this isn't going to happen.
E: Furthermore, the reports are about users, not admins. Hence User Reporting.
RE: URS - Suggestion - R.Fiets - 2015-04-18 23:08
(2015-04-18 20:39)Nick Wrote: To those of you that wish to view your URS, all you have to do is succeed at the next [TC] Recruitment.
You are good example, no offence.
(2015-04-18 20:37)Sebas Wrote:Wild guess? I'm not afraid, why should I -.- If im banned one day, so be it. To finish this all for me, im not worried about URS or anything. In general, URS is mirror of your acting. Mine? 2-3 swearing fines +1 recent "spam" warning, which was made before some kind of "spam rule" came.(2015-04-18 20:18)R.Fiets Wrote: .....
Why is everybody so afraid that the information "hidden" in their URS file is considered a silent weapon for admins? AFAIK, it only relates stuff in regards to disrespecting the rules of the server itself. I'm pretty sure they don't use it to type stuff like "I hate that guy, please ban him for 365 days next time." but pretty much stuff like "Still drifting the roundabout, next time will have harsher mesures".
Just some actions which were made by some admins, no names, not reporting, gave me doubts about how honest things are. Nothing more, nothing less. Bye