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[729475] FZ60 LIGHTBAR - Ho4Hou_KoT - 2022-07-31 01:33
LFS Mod Skin ID: 729475
Name:
FZ60 LIGHTBAR
Suggested values:
Price: 50,000€
Income: +2€
Cargo capacity: 200kg
Rent price: 4€/km
Lifespan: as FZ5
Remarks: Includes 4 setups: Police, Medic, Tow and Safety car
Mod was updated since last time
RE: [729475] FZ60 LIGHTBAR - BP - 2022-07-31 06:41
Hi,
By the looks of it, this is your mod.
Original FZ5 figures:
Quote:Total Mass: 1380 kg (3042 lbs)
Power: 269 kW (360 bhp) @ 7563 rpm
Power-weight: 195 W/kg (265 bhp/ton)
Mod figures:
Quote:Total Mass: 1096 kg (2417 lbs)
Power: 425 kW (570 bhp) @ 6203 rpm
Power-weight: 387 W / kg (528 bhp/ton)
From these figures, you can see that you've not only made the mod lighter than the original (why?), you've also significantly increased the performance (why?). It's too much IMO.
Random performance increases aside, you've suggested a 2.5 income which is 25% higher than the FZ5 (see power differences above).
Your mod has been rated 2* and I can understand why (may also be to do with the fact the driver is fixed to one side).
No
BP
RE: [729475] FZ60 LIGHTBAR - Ho4Hou_KoT - 2022-07-31 12:59
(2022-07-31 06:41)BP Wrote: Hi,
By the looks of it, this is your mod.
Original FZ5 figures:
Quote:Total Mass: 1380 kg (3042 lbs)
Power: 269 kW (360 bhp) @ 7563 rpm
Power-weight: 195 W/kg (265 bhp/ton)
Mod figures:
Quote:Total Mass: 1096 kg (2417 lbs)
Power: 425 kW (570 bhp) @ 6203 rpm
Power-weight: 387 W / kg (528 bhp/ton)
From these figures, you can see that you've not only made the mod lighter than the original (why?), you've also significantly increased the performance (why?). It's too much IMO.
Random performance increases aside, you've suggested a 2.5 income which is 25% higher than the FZ5 (see power differences above).
Your mod has been rated 2* and I can understand why (may also be to do with the fact the driver is fixed to one side).
No
BP
- Why it’s more lighter and powerful? Because it’s two different models.
- About too much power, so you added Blackbird for example, which is more faster and unstable, if you worried about it?
- Incoming, ye I didn’t check stock FZ.
- Fixed to one side? Is it really big problem?
- That mod was rated when it had stock interior and not big difference with normal FZ, that’s why it has a low rating. Same FZ60 rated with 3.5 stars
RE: [729475] FZ60 LIGHTBAR - SIMOX - 2022-07-31 15:19
Honestly what BP is saying is that the car is too overpowered for TC. Since it's based on FZ5 why would it be so much lighter.
Blackbird is only rear wheel drive with tiny downforce on rear, yours have much bigger downforce and a 4 wheel drive which is way easier to handle and thus makes it more OP. Plus the massive tires on front and rear. I mean just too much over the top.
RE: [729475] FZ60 LIGHTBAR - Baboulinet4 - 2022-08-01 11:14
Asides the Blackbird, all the powerful cars on TC now makes around 320-350hp/ton with a total tire width similar to the FZ5 (FZ5 T and FXO Sport AWD comes in mind). It would be good to stay on this IMO
a 528hp/ton car with 4WD, 350mm tires and downforce is just going to be OP like the LX V8T and the Suproza used to be.
The blackbird may be fast, but you need a very skilled driver since the car is RWD, has no assistances (= braking with no ABS with a car that has 60% of it's weight at the rear and 255mm tires at the front only), and the old Porsche behavior. Not everybody is fast with the blackbird, hence why you don't see it that much on the server
Right now, if the point is adding new FZ variants, the contenders IMO are :
A return of the FZ30 : https://www.lfs.net/files/vehmods/578DFD
The FZ40 : https://www.lfs.net/files/vehmods/B164E8
The FZ50 GT : https://www.lfs.net/files/vehmods/9BFA2C
About the FZ60, lowering the power to weight ratio around 330hp/ton dry, removing the downforce and decreasing the tire width would be a good start to have a green light to be in the server car pool.
RE: [729475] FZ60 LIGHTBAR - Matt - 2022-08-01 14:43
(2022-08-01 11:14)Baboulinet4 Wrote: The blackbird may be fast, but you need a very skilled driver since the car is RWD, has no assistances (= braking with no ABS with a car that has 60% of it's weight at the rear and 255mm tires at the front only), and the old Porsche behavior. Not everybody is fast with the blackbird, hence why you don't see it that much on the server
Saying this as someone with a loadcell brake, 10+ years of sim experience, extensive real world experience and sub 1 minute Lotus 98T laps of Donington National on Assetto, can confirm...the Blackbird takes patience, skill and a lot of thought to drive quickly. It's really not a fair comparison at all.
RE: [729475] FZ60 LIGHTBAR - fWANKy - 2022-08-01 22:51
(2022-08-01 14:43)Matt Wrote:(2022-08-01 11:14)Baboulinet4 Wrote: The blackbird may be fast, but you need a very skilled driver since the car is RWD, has no assistances (= braking with no ABS with a car that has 60% of it's weight at the rear and 255mm tires at the front only), and the old Porsche behavior. Not everybody is fast with the blackbird, hence why you don't see it that much on the server
Saying this as someone with a loadcell brake, 10+ years of sim experience, extensive real world experience and sub 1 minute Lotus 98T laps of Donington National on Assetto, can confirm...the Blackbird takes patience, skill and a lot of thought to drive quickly. It's really not a fair comparison at all.
and u still suck at lfs
RE: [729475] FZ60 LIGHTBAR - M6nsh - 2022-08-02 04:09
It looks worse than the original, I tell you that
Why do we need an overpowered car? since we have a balanced cars such as fz5 + tbo mods
No -3
RE: [729475] FZ60 LIGHTBAR - KiiT1337 - 2022-08-02 06:18
(2022-08-02 04:09)M6 Wrote: It looks worse than the original, I tell you that
Why do we need an overpowered car? since we have a balanced cars such as fz5 + tbo mods
No -3
Yep, -1 for me too, also, speaking about "OP" cars, GE20, its pretty balanced, awd 500hp+ but bhp doesnt go too far from tbo/fz5, due to its 2 ton...
RE: [729475] FZ60 LIGHTBAR - Nick - 2022-08-04 20:16
(2022-08-01 14:43)Matt Wrote: Saying this as someone with a loadcell brake, 10+ years of sim experience, extensive real world experience and sub 1 minute Lotus 98T laps of Donington National on Assetto, can confirm...the Blackbird takes patience, skill and a lot of thought to drive quickly. It's really not a fair comparison at all.
RE: [729475] FZ60 LIGHTBAR - Ho4Hou_KoT - 2022-09-02 08:32
Mod was updated since last time
RE: [729475] FZ60 LIGHTBAR - Chuck - 2022-10-04 10:39
Mapped slightly nerfed (15% restriction) onto FZ5