Ability to cap performance of backup units

[Felipe Jardim]

Voted NO because this might eliminate the availability of backup, considering sometimes only noob cops in OP mods are available and i don't have a hamster, dymz, vilix or a January (all pros) to help me in a similar vehicle as the suspect.

However i absolutely think a system that considers the cars power to weight ratio to be implemented. 3 ranges, lets say from 0-265bhp/ton (Covers tbo to fz5), 266 to 350bhp/ton (Covers FZ8, Evo FQ, etc) and 350+ bhp/ton categories (GTRs and other OP mods). There are many skilled cops who can work magic with a lesser car and vice versa, ive seen good drivers in standard LFS cars gap COPs in OP mods. A balance system should be in place, or we can just ban all mods and go back to s2 to make frank happy.

[RevLeon]

(2023-08-25 23:00)Felipe Jardim Wrote:  However i absolutely think a system that considers the cars power to weight ratio to be implemented. 3 ranges, lets say from 0-265bhp/ton (Covers tbo to fz5), 266 to 350bhp/ton (Covers FZ8, Evo FQ, etc) and 350+ bhp/ton categories (GTRs and other OP mods). There are many skilled cops who can work magic with a lesser car and vice versa, ive seen good drivers in standard LFS cars gap COPs in OP mods. A balance system should be in place, or we can just ban all mods and go back to s2 to make frank happy.

I voted YES, with the above in mind as I suggested in previous topics before.

[AnansiMaxine]

(2023-08-25 22:22)Yasen Wrote:  1. If I use Crown Vic as a COP and I chase a sport car like Koenigsegg, all my backup request should be open for all police vehicles/units available at the moment.

If you mean for backup to be open *as soon as you start the chase*, big NO from my part. Removing the 45s timer just for occasions like that is just pointless. Plus, if you're using a Crown Vic to attempt to chase a car that's at least 10x faster than yours, that's a you problem lol; it's common sense to not chase a suspect that contains a car that can reach 100 kph faster than you can reach the quarter mile...
Apologies if I got your idea wrong. I probably have...

(2023-08-25 22:22)Yasen Wrote:  2. If I use fast FZ5 as a COP and I chase stock XFG, all my backup request should be open only for units with relative close specs (power and weight) to the suspects car.
Edit: There should be a some of gap with these numbers hp/ton, because imagine the panic COP searching for safe zone to pit and scrolling to find the right car (probably rented) just to join in my chase.

I do agree with this, only allow cars from a certain category (the same as the suspect's vehicle) to be able to join said chase.

[Yasen]

(2023-08-25 23:42)A n a n s i Wrote:  ..Removing the 45s..

No, I never said that. Sorry, maybe it's my english bad.
My idea is: When InSim allows me to use backup call, to be open for cops using slower, same, but not much faster car than the suspect.

(2023-08-25 23:42)A n a n s i Wrote:  ..using a Crown Vic to a attempt to chase a car that's at least 10x faster than yours, that's a you problem lol
It's common sense to not chase a suspect that contains a car that can reach 100 kph faster than you can reach the quarter mile...

I do that very often. I do it for fun and for some extra XP.
I'm actually making money tho, because I'm moving and earning more than camping behind the trees.
I think every cop on world will chase you even if is sure that you will escape with your super fast sport car.
Sometimes, if there are other cops around with faster cars than mine, I just do !laser on speeders and I post them on !c chat.

(2023-08-25 23:42)A n a n s i Wrote:  I do agree with this..

Yes, same thing. Backup call to be open for police forces using slower, same, but not much faster car than the suspect (calculated hp/ton).
Allowing even slower COP units (than the suspects car) to join it helpful tho.
It allows to reach the suspect faster using sirens, do roadblock, make a good PIT maneuver just in time when catching the chase and before get it lost.

[[TC]►BP◄]

This suggestion is unlikely to be approved. In that case:

https://forum.city-driving.co.uk/showthr...?tid=36675

Chuck's idea may be discussed in the above thread separately

[Orange™]

I'M with capping some sort of BHP to cop chases. When you have a supercar cop joining, takes away all fun with that chase. Chases are more messy. At the momment it's very unbalanced. I think we all on the same page here, the cop system does need a overhaul and fast.

[dmrzn]

yes because they come to tbo vehicles with ultra op + f1 downcar vehicles so we can't enjoy them in chase. I think it would be nice if every cop car joins the category it uses.

[AnansiMaxine]

(2023-08-26 00:24)Yasen Wrote:  No, I never said that. Sorry, maybe it's my english bad.
My idea is: When InSim allows me to use backup call, to be open for cops using slower, same, but not much faster car than the suspect.

Yeah I expected to be wrong with my previous statement. Apologies. But yes I do agree with this now.

(2023-08-26 00:24)Yasen Wrote:  I do that very often. I do it for fun and for some extra XP.
I'm actually making money tho, because I'm moving and earning more than camping behind the trees.
I think every cop on world will chase you even if is sure that you will escape with your super fast sport car.
Sometimes, if there are other cops around with faster cars than mine, I just do !laser on speeders and I post them on !c chat.

I don't usually cop around for minutes on end just to try to find a suspect to chase, I mainly just switch to cop if there's a chase ongoing that I could try to join. If I actually decide to change to cop not to immediately join a chase, I'll just set a speedtrap and catch a speeder. So take my opinion with a grain of salt if you'd like - I just don't see the idea of chasing someone that's much faster than me, because 99% of the time they'll escape within the 45 second timer. Sure they might crash onto something or someone, but I'm not introducing those minor variables into this small statement of mine, really.

[Felipe Jardim]

(2023-08-25 23:42)A n a n s i Wrote:  Plus, if you're using a Crown Vic to attempt to chase a car that's at least 10x faster than yours, that's a you problem lol; it's common sense to not chase a suspect that contains a car that can reach 100 kph faster than you can reach the quarter mile...

This.

But that also goes both ways

Suspect in FZ5 that attempts an escape from a GTR or FZ8 etc, can't complain about the chasing vehicle when he loses, he knew what he was up against and had 45 seconds to stop.

[AnansiMaxine]

(2023-08-26 15:03)Felipe Jardim Wrote:  But that also goes both ways

Suspect in FZ5 that attempts an escape from a GTR or FZ8 etc, can't complain about the chasing vehicle when he loses, he knew what he was up against and had 45 seconds to stop.

Exactly.

[[TC]►Petsu◄]

(2023-08-26 15:03)Felipe Jardim Wrote:  

(2023-08-25 23:42)A n a n s i Wrote:  Plus, if you're using a Crown Vic to attempt to chase a car that's at least 10x faster than yours, that's a you problem lol; it's common sense to not chase a suspect that contains a car that can reach 100 kph faster than you can reach the quarter mile...

This.

But that also goes both ways

Suspect in FZ5 that attempts an escape from a GTR or FZ8 etc, can't complain about the chasing vehicle when he loses, he knew what he was up against and had 45 seconds to stop.

Nobody is complaining about that, they complain that when they try to escape from fz5 cop at first, soon they notice 3 koenigseggs closing in the gap at 350kph.

[7mar]

yeah petsu is right, this is about backup vehicles and not chase starters @jardim

[Felipe Jardim]

Yeah cause people can't respect a simple "!c 6s oNlY bAcKuP pLz" or "!c tbo only please". They will say that they didn't see the msg, but refuse to leave either way.

Someone mentioned earlier that a new added command would be too troublesome, but what if a drop down menu appeared when you did !backup, with a COP list similar to the "roles" list where you could just click on the exact cop you want for your chase, or a "ANY" option to let all those konig bros in? one little click isn't gonna kill you during chase.

Yesterday we were involved in a pursuit with a heavy suspect, we were very adamant about needing HEAVY backup, and here comes a freaking FZ5 when other cops were ready for our specific chase. The ability to choose who joins would filter out a lot of the issues brought up IMO. I can't have a Koenigsegg driver join my chase when that same koenigsegg driver just got gapped by a BZ30 Eletric 5 minutes prior, you know he's going to be all car, no skill. Nothing worse than having that one guy in the chase with his OP car passing everyone in the straights and getting in our way during the cornering.

[RevLeon]

(2023-08-27 12:44)Felipe Jardim Wrote:  Yeah cause people can't respect a simple "!c 6s oNlY bAcKuP pLz" or "!c tbo only please". They will say that they didn't see the msg, but refuse to leave either way.

Someone mentioned earlier that a new added command would be too troublesome, but what if a drop down menu appeared when you did !backup, with a COP list similar to the "roles" list where you could just click on the exact cop you want for your chase, or a "ANY" option to let all those konig bros in? one little click isn't gonna kill you during chase.

Yesterday we were involved in a pursuit with a heavy suspect, we were very adamant about needing HEAVY backup, and here comes a freaking FZ5 when other cops were ready for our specific chase. The ability to choose who joins would filter out a lot of the issues brought up IMO. I can't have a Koenigsegg driver join my chase when that same koenigsegg driver just got gapped by a BZ30 Eletric 5 minutes prior, you know he's going to be all car, no skill. Nothing worse than having that one guy in the chase with his OP car passing everyone in the straights and getting in our way during the cornering.

Again picking and chosing does not eliminate the problem because if I can pick who my backup will be most people will pick either their friends or op cars which is not fair on the other cops who will never get a chance to join a backup call.

[[TC]►Petsu◄]

(2023-08-26 12:36)Vilix Wrote:  A possible approach is to assign priority rankings to each cop car. The closer your cop car is matched to the performance of the suspects car, the higher your priority ranking is in joining a chase for backup. High priority rank means you join earlier than someone with low priority. This doesn’t necessarily fix the issue of cop vs suspect imbalance, but maybe this could be useful to spark some ideas.

I really like this idea, it doesn't fully fix the problem but it's a great start and probably much faster to implement than point systems etc? I think it would lead to people changing to similar performance car as someones who is getting chased to get priority.

[Felipe Jardim]

(2023-08-28 10:13)RevLeon Wrote:  Again picking and chosing does not eliminate the problem because if I can pick who my backup will be most people will pick either their friends or op cars which is not fair on the other cops who will never get a chance to join a backup call.

Most guys at this point are selective of backup as necessary, but i get your point

[7mar]

(2023-08-28 10:13)RevLeon Wrote:  

(2023-08-27 12:44)Felipe Jardim Wrote:  Yeah cause people can't respect a simple "!c 6s oNlY bAcKuP pLz" or "!c tbo only please". They will say that they didn't see the msg, but refuse to leave either way.

Someone mentioned earlier that a new added command would be too troublesome, but what if a drop down menu appeared when you did !backup, with a COP list similar to the "roles" list where you could just click on the exact cop you want for your chase, or a "ANY" option to let all those konig bros in? one little click isn't gonna kill you during chase.

Yesterday we were involved in a pursuit with a heavy suspect, we were very adamant about needing HEAVY backup, and here comes a freaking FZ5 when other cops were ready for our specific chase. The ability to choose who joins would filter out a lot of the issues brought up IMO. I can't have a Koenigsegg driver join my chase when that same koenigsegg driver just got gapped by a BZ30 Eletric 5 minutes prior, you know he's going to be all car, no skill. Nothing worse than having that one guy in the chase with his OP car passing everyone in the straights and getting in our way during the cornering.

Again picking and chosing does not eliminate the problem because if I can pick who my backup will be most people will pick either their friends or op cars which is not fair on the other cops who will never get a chance to join a backup call.

took the words right out of my mouth. wow, i love u jardim

[Felipe Jardim]

tslm esek, u feel my pain habibi.