Clarification of Arabic rules

[Dan]

(2015-06-25 20:44)Frozen Wrote:  Well

This thread belongs to a community which has English as main language.

Im dutch and spanish and never seen the rules written in those languages although there are players from spain and netherlands?

So what is the difference? The fact they are lazy and do not care about english is in my opinion more than enough to not continue with this proposal. Do we also need to make an !arab command so they can understand the InSim messages? How far are we going is the question.

They come, they adapt.

You've got some really valid points, but we've got to think: what's really feasible here? Getting a population of individuals whom play LFS to learn a completely new language, or for one person - who knows the language very well - to assist those who don't know it so well, and so produce a ruleset that they're capable of reading.

[[TC]►Frozen◄]

Excuse me

The problem is not arab players or arabic people. The problem is the specific bunch of arabs playing on the servers. I have personally a few friends from saudi arabia and they speak english very well. Just those who join the servers recently are the worst image for their country however it does not make all them bad.

Therefore, I wouldnt put any effort in making translations. Let them make an effort first to stay in this community. Believe google translator gives you atleast a basic explanation of the rules by just copy pasting them.

[KooKoo]

I didn't ask you for help. You are basically contributing nothing here Frozen.

How can they make an effort to stay in this community if they don't understand how this community does things and its rules?

[[TC]►Frozen◄]

(2015-06-25 20:48)KooKoo Wrote:  I hope you still understand. Why are you against this idea? Is it going to harm you? I constantly see you whine about "Arabs following your chase" and when I finally suggest something to put an end to this, you disagree? This will just make everything safer in chases and driving.

Convince me why this idea is useless. Please.

If they do they get removed from the server just like anyone else. If they play its their job to ensure what the rules are. They can use translator, or whatever.

(2015-06-25 20:56)KooKoo Wrote:  I didn't ask you for help. You are basically contributing nothing here Frozen.

How can they make an effort to stay in this community if they don't understand how this community does things and its rules?

Why you keep making of their problem a server's problem?

[KooKoo]

Here we go again Frozen, back to the thread itself and the first post;

"Instead of constantly banning them, knowing they will return with other accounts, why not make the rules understandable for them instead of wasting your entire day looking into the same type of reports? I am not standing with them, I am just someone who wants to make the driving environment safer for everyone else."

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(2015-06-25 20:57)Frozen Wrote:  

(2015-06-25 20:56)KooKoo Wrote:  I didn't ask you for help. You are basically contributing nothing here Frozen.

How can they make an effort to stay in this community if they don't understand how this community does things and its rules?

Why you keep making of their problem a server's problem?

Because it is? I think?

[[TC]►Frozen◄]

The main reason of all the problems is english.

Therefore that they cant speak english is our problem?

Also let me make clear I do not have anything against this suggestion however In my opinion all this arab stuff is going a bit over the top now.

[KooKoo]

Frozen I won't reply to you. You really don't make sense and I don't know why are you so against this idea if it is going to make the driving environment safer and you are basically not doing anything?

[[TC]►Frozen◄]

I do not have anything against this suggestion however In my opinion all this arab stuff is going a bit over the top now.

Following this suggestion you can also mention that the warnings given by TC have no effect since they are written in english. They press the Okay I understand button without even knowing what they done or what it says.

So the next step, admin warning messages in arabic to ensure they get what the admin is trying to say correct?

[KooKoo]

Frozen making you understand this is like speaking to a wall, no difference since both of you don't understand. (No offense)

[[TC]►Ras◄]

(2015-06-25 21:13)Frozen Wrote:  Following this suggestion you can also mention that the warnings given by TC have no effect since they are written in english. They press the Okay I understand button without even knowing what they done or what it says.

So the next step, admin warning messages in arabic to ensure they get what the admin is trying to say correct?

We shouldn't need to issue any warnings if they know the rules and follow them.

[[TC]►Frozen◄]

(2015-06-25 21:17)Ras Wrote:  

(2015-06-25 21:13)Frozen Wrote:  Following this suggestion you can also mention that the warnings given by TC have no effect since they are written in english. They press the Okay I understand button without even knowing what they done or what it says.

So the next step, admin warning messages in arabic to ensure they get what the admin is trying to say correct?

We shouldn't need to issue any warnings if they know the rules and follow them.

And follow them indeed. Which they dont. Some rules here are just common sense and they do have it however they do not care about it.

[[TC]►Ras◄]

Technically we don't know if they just don't follow them or if they actually don't know what the rules are because of the language issues. So it might be worth trying this suggestion to see if it improves their (some of them at least) behavior.

[[TC]►Frozen◄]

(2015-06-25 21:19)Ras Wrote:  Technically we don't know if they just don't follow them or if they actually don't know what the rules are because of the language issues.

Well you can apply this rule to netherlands, germany, china, japan, spain [fill the world here]

You do not technically know it so?

[KooKoo]

That is EXACTLY the point of this thread. It is to MAKE them understand it! Why is it so hard Frozen?!

[Olli]

(2015-06-25 21:13)Frozen Wrote:  I do not have anything against this suggestion however In my opinion all this arab stuff is going a bit over the top now.

That's what I've been thinking of as well while reading through this thread. I haven't got anything against this idea. In fact, it'd be brilliant if a volunteer(s) could translate the rules to Arabic.

[Dowpy]

I don't see the problem in this if KooKoo is willing to help? Me myself isnt that active so i don't know how bad it actually is but this cant make it any worse?

[[TC]►Frozen◄]

Know what

Great suggestion

Good night.

[[TC]►Ras◄]

(2015-06-25 21:20)Frozen Wrote:  

(2015-06-25 21:19)Ras Wrote:  Technically we don't know if they just don't follow them or if they actually don't know what the rules are because of the language issues.

Well you can apply this rule to netherlands, germany, china, japan, spain [fill the world here]

You do not technically know it so?

We don't have this massive problem with other countries, otherwise who says we wouldn't consider doing the same?

[KooKoo]

(2015-06-25 21:22)Frozen Wrote:  Know what

Great suggestion

Good night.

[[TC]►Petsu◄]

Its great suggestion but it kind of is giving arab people special place in community. Why do i, guy from finland, need to read stuff in english? Why can't i have rules written in finnish for me? Thats the biggest problem here is, nothing else

edit: i couldn't care less about kookoo using his personal time translating stuff, but the way he acts towards frozen and doesn't even try to understand his point of view, and instead is acting very offensive against him.