Cops initiating a Blue Light run before chasing a potential suspect?

[Johan.]

Hi

I've seen a few cops doing this. As I remember a topic about Blue Light runs, there was also said that only TC's were allowed to do those. Yet, I've seen a few cops doing !siren (+ the strobe) while they aren't in a !chase yet, when they reach the potential suspect, they then finally start the !chase (I've seen a cop doing 2 rounds on the Kyoto - Autobahn doing this before he catched up with the suspect). As the cops aren't in the TC team, are they still allowed to do that? I mean, if they still can't find the suspect, they've basicly been speeding as a cop, without any valid reason, right?

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Quote:4.2. Road Laws

Cops must obey road laws when not in a chase.

and

Quote:4.8. Strobe/Flashing lights must not be used under normal driving conditions.

[Pipa]

Did that aswell when a car was between the car i just lasered and i had to get him in my tracker again to initiate a chase. Didn't take two laps of kyoto Autobahn though.

If he made it in the end it would surely count as a chase.

[Malibu]

I think that as a cop you should use common sense and stop the chase if you can't get your suspect in tracker fast enough.

[ChrisM]

Yea, I reckon there's gonna be 1 of those "dodgy" answers, such as,

"It's ok, providing you don't drive a massive distance to catch up" or something like that. Sounds reasonable tho to me, or just don't do it

[Pipa]

Afaik a chase does not mean you actually have to have !chase on, at least thats how it was shortly after the tracker got introduced.

Which means it is already a chase even if you have not been able to get the suspect in your tracker yet. As long as you use sirens you should be fine.

[Johan.]

Wouldn't it be a Blue Light run then as long as there isn't really a !chase, Pipa?

(2011-11-09 01:06)Josh Wrote:  Note: Blue Light Runs are restricted to VCU's only and are used a post advanced driver training programme.

[Pipa]

Blue light runs have a totally different aim and as you described the guy caught up and was able to initiate the insim !chase. So his aim was clear.

Id wait for a Tc leader on this, chances are i could be wrong.

[Josh]

You are allowed to speed to catch up to a suspect who you want to chase, you may use audible sirens and strobes to do so. You can only use !siren when engaged in a !chase.

Apply common sense, if it takes (for example) 2 laps to catch someone up, then maybe it would be better to stop and wait for them to come back round? It shouldn't take too long to catch someone up - obviously defining 'too long' depends entirely on the track and conditions.

A blue light run (on TC) is more of a practise run for blue light driving, without !siren.

[Johan.]

Alright Josh, thanks for the pretty clear answer.

[Tommer]

To be honest with you, I think if [TC] Calls turning your siren on to overtake someone who is between you and your suspect taboo I think [TC] ought to think again because that's plain silly..

It's perfectly reasonable say you're following behind a law abider and a wrongsider shoots past to turn on your siren to get the guy infront of you to move before hitting !chase , it's not abusing your powers you are as good as in chase with the guy, bit of human logic your already in pursuit of the guy mentally before you hit !chase. If you know you are going to chase that guy, then you're as good as in chase, and you need that siren to alert other drivers to this fact.

The last thing we need as a result of this thread is the outcome that cop's can't use !siren to get to a suspect in close proximity because that would just really make my day just that little bit worse. The system is good as it is, leaaaaaaave it.

[Josh]

(2012-04-24 22:52)Tommer Wrote:  The last thing we need as a result of this thread is the outcome that cop's can't use !siren to get to a suspect in close proximity because that would just really make my day just that little bit worse.

If a suspect is a car or two ahead, then that's fine - nobody is going to have a go at you, even if they are observant enough to notice it. However blasting around the track with !siren for a longer duration of time is different.

Quote:The system is good as it is, leaaaaaaave it.

Nobody is asking for change, just clarification.

[[TC]»Pete«]

Josh Wrote:

Tommer Wrote:The last thing we need as a result of this thread is the outcome that cop's can't use !siren to get to a suspect in close proximity because that would just really make my day just that little bit worse.

If a suspect is a car or two ahead, then that's fine - nobody is going to have a go at you, even if they are observant enough to notice it. However blasting around the track with !siren for a longer duration of time is different.


The system is good as it is, leaaaaaaave it.

Nobody is asking for change, just clarification.

And if you see anyone doing a blue light run just to overtake someone, please let us know because that's not allowed.

BLR's typically begin at a standstill, last for a couple of minutes and finish at a standstill.

To anyone under any illusion, BLR's are reserved for [TC] [VCU] vehicles only.

[◄Chuck►]

(2012-04-24 21:44)Josh Wrote:  A blue light run (on TC) is more of a practise run for blue light driving, without !siren.

Woh woh wait a minute: Is there a secret guild which may ignore clearly defined rules or does "blue light run" mean "driving like a civilian car" these days? 0o

Also, that reminds me strongly to this thread ( members area, just a month old), which was just abandoned by everyone. http://forum.city-driving.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=2464

[[TC]►Bez◄]

Just to make things clear. Aren't Med's allowed to blue light run as well? As Med's dont have a list of rules yet what they are or aren't allowed to do its a bit confusing. Iv'e been told by many of people Meds can use audible siren + strobe when going to a scene and when attending the scene only strobe. That they are allowed to do blue light runs. Me and lewis do them all the time and no one says anything. I understand people don't have to move out the way for us, but its just roleplay.

[KaraK [T]]

Wasn't this exact same question asked a few times already?
The answer was that you can't follow a suspect with !siren and/or audible siren on for too long.

Use your common sense, and the answer Josh gave should suffice.

[◄Chuck►]

However that may be, one problem remains. The actual player is never on the safe side, not knowing what's allowed, what's not, as long its not written in the rules. Also, different admins may (we all know they will) judge completely differently on the same situation.
One may say it's ok, the next one revokes your cop-rights, another one gives you a week ban, and the next thinks its worth a year. Saying there is that rule, but its ok to break it is rather confusing.
Also, I'm with Tommer here, saying that all signals belong together as one, including priority over traffic. Separating audible from visual siren and strobes is contradictory.

One more thing, can we please replace the term "Blue light run" with what it actually is? That term itself is ambiguous enough.

[[TC]►Ash◄]

(2012-04-25 11:00)Chuck Wrote:  One more thing, can we please replace the term "Blue light run" with what it actually is? That term itself is ambiguous enough.

Speeding whilst not in chase?

[◄Chuck►]

(2012-04-25 11:10)Ash Wrote:  

(2012-04-25 11:00)Chuck Wrote:  One more thing, can we please replace the term "Blue light run" with what it actually is? That term itself is ambiguous enough.

Speeding whilst not in chase?

So:
Speeding:yes
V-Siren: no
A-Siren: no
Strobes: no

Well, that sounds odd.

[NVK]

I'm not playing on TC very often anymore, so i've fallen behind abit from the updates. But back in the days when you had a speeder passing by, and you had several civilians infront of you blocking the tracker for the speeder, i always putted on my strobe, audiable siren and siren to let everyone know to give way so i could track the speeder and initiate a chase on him.

I don't know if i've missunderstood everything here or not, but now it's not allowed to turn your siren on in order to catch up getting the suspect in your tracker? If so, that's just ridiculous if you ask me.

And Chuck, so true.. so true. I've waited long to hear that from someone.