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Nammi · 2012-01-18, 22:12

Its not about keeping us from beeing sued Nick. The law is not even through yet. its more of a protest against that law.

two things here:
A) correct me if im wrong but isnt it a US law? apart from american Websites are we even hit by it?
B) the protest is more about making people notice that have nothing to do with the internet apart from daily surfing / Facebook. So i dont really see the point of taking down a forum whos visitors are 90% aware of whats happening.

Street · 2012-01-18, 22:14

Can you imagine the massive boost the ecomony would get if Facebook went down? Productivity in the work place would skyrocket.

Vee · 2012-01-18, 22:26

Quote:Let's be honest, the people behind SOPA/PIPA are smart, very smart. They know without a doubt the bill will not put a dent in piracy. The kind of people who pirate and run piracy services are far too smart to be brought to heel by mere legislation and have continued to elude the best efforts of the US and it's lackeys. SOPA/PIPA exists for one reason, to protect an aging and crooked business model, dominated by large corporations who are slowly but surely being eroded by people like you and me. These corporations want to stifle the internet because the internet is the biggest threat to their dominance that has ever existed. For decades, through control of radio stations and television channels, corporations have made bank, but now, all the money in the world can't save them from guys in their bedrooms and home-made studios creating content that is more relevant to the current generation. The variety the big media corporations refused to provide because it "wasn't profitable", is now being provided by hundreds of thousands of amateur, semi-pro and professional independent creators and directors and we're all competing for the most important currency of all, time. The time you spend watching our material is time you don't spend watching theirs. It's money directly out of their pocket that they could have been earning before the internet came along and that's the hilarious thing about this whole deal. Piracy is not what's killing their profits, completely legitimate competition from the internet is. They use the cause of "fighting piracy" as a trojan horse to force through bought and paid for legislation to kill independent content creation for good because they can see the end is nigh for their aging and increasingly irrelevant business model. They know they cannot win legitimately, so they do what they've always done, exploit a corrupt political system to bully and extort their way to what they want.

This is what SOPA/PIPA are really about and that is why you should oppose them. You are standing up for what your generation represents, just as previous generations have done the same on a slew of different issues. As much as those in power would like us to believe we are the apathetic, lazy generation. The truth is we are anything but and that scares the shit out of them.

**[TC]»Pete«** · (This post was last modified: 2012-01-18 22:33 by Pete.)

(2012-01-18 22:14)Street Wrote: Can you imagine the massive boost the ecomony would get if Facebook went down? Productivity in the work place would skyrocket.

PC Repair companies would also benefit:

"Oh hello there, my facetube isn't working. Help???",
"Sure, 20 bucks",
"Sure, whatever, just help",
"It's down for the day."

Vee · 2012-01-18, 22:35

Sigh, hypocrites..
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/lamar-smi...ght-whoops

Malibu · 2012-01-18, 22:43

I read an article about TPB working on a new technology, with basicly all files to start any file on TPB all on a USB stick. Don't know how or if it's true, but for one thing I'm sure, piracy will always show up somewhere else.

James · (This post was last modified: 2012-01-18 22:51 by James.)

Ive heard that alot of sites like Megaupload has already been closed down for 24hours or so and Warner Media Group contacted youtube under copyright grounds to have the Megaupload song that was done by Kanye and co. but there was no grounds for copyright. Apparently some deal was made sometime before this so they had unprecidented control on what stays up on youtube.

The DMCA (I think its that) is generally something that says you arent responsible for users actions, well according to PIPA and SOPA, YOU the owner are responsible, not the user. IMO this is the worst load of bs ive heard in my life so far. There is always going to be one trolling s.o.b who would come onto your facebook page, youtube channel posting some links to a torrent and BAM, there goes facebook, there goes youtube..or one big fat lawsuit smashing its way through the window.

This is just corporate control, a mass advertising stranglehold for the highest bidder. Companies like Activision (Call of Duty), Universal (Music, movies) and other major companies would jump at the chance to be able to grasp the internet by its cajones. Who wouldnt !? I mean come on, the internet far surpasses the entertainment business and non internet means of advertising/making money. Its a chance to get your company to phase out the competition completely and make mega-bucks.

Sadly, bills like this will not stop being passed into congress or anywhere else for that matter. Internet censorship is something that can revenue billions of dollars if something like this comes into effect.

Also, im sure this affects everyone. Ive been going back and forth all day on videos, blogs and all sorts. This is possibly one of those 'American' laws that allows them to police the internet 'world'.

In the past there has been times that people have said 'The VCR will kill such and such, Allowing people to record on thier VCRs will kill the music industry, the MP3 player will kill our industry...' Did it ? Hell no, it helped it im sure.

**[TC]»Pete«** · (This post was last modified: 2012-01-18 22:53 by Pete.)

(2012-01-18 22:35)Vee Wrote: Sigh, hypocrites..
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/lamar-smi...ght-whoops

I saw that article, here's the follow on from it:

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/lamar-smi...t-violator

Well said PeePee, well said. Wink

**KaraK [T]** · 2012-01-18, 23:31

**[TC]»Elmo«** · (This post was last modified: 2012-01-19 04:06 by Elmo.)

(2012-01-18 22:12)Nammi Wrote: A) correct me if im wrong but isnt it a US law? apart from american Websites are we even hit by it?

Two main issues:
1. It's a US law directly targeting foreign websites.
2. There's this thing called international copyright law, which basically means every western country has to abide by whatever crackpot ideas some other western country implements. (not quite as clear cut as that, but close enough)

Result: it affects most of the world, but only US citizens can do anything about it.

Also, there's only one small step from SOPA's "block anything we say is infringing copyright (even if it actually isn't or it falls under fair use)" to "block anything we say". Remind anyone of the Great Firewall of China?

FR4NOx · 2012-01-19, 05:13

I hate how the one day I actually needed Wikipedia, and it was shut down.

Websites that I came across yesterday with anti-sopa/pipa gear on:

http://www.mozilla.org
http://www.reddit.com
http://www.google.com
en.wikipedia.org
http://www.americancensorship.com
http://www.icanhazcheezburger.com
http://www.failblog.org
http://www.vimeo.com
http://www.theoatmeal.com

and a few more. Those were just what I blindly encountered.

**[TC] Stephen** · (This post was last modified: 2012-01-19 06:17 by Stephen.)

This SOPA shit is way too restrictive (and idiotic), may as well declare America a communist country if it goes through (if not already). The only other country where the internet is censored like this is China and you guessed it, they're a communist country.

We had something similar a while ago, the government was going to censor any websites that could be considered inappropriate by the government, which could be anything if they just make something up and try to justify it. Thank goodness it didn't go through, I couldn't imagine the same government getting re-elected if it was passed.

Not to mention all the companies will have their website blocked will be requesting major compensation due to the loss of money, because they had 1 item that 'could' have been offensive to a small number of people (for instance).

What is the world coming to, people get power to run a country and they make the most idiotic decisions. It seems to be getting more frequent lately too, so not much hope for the future.

Clockwork · 2012-01-19, 07:07

SOPA has already been shelved indefinitely.

**KaraK [T]** · 2012-01-19, 07:47

It's been put on hold, but that doesn't mean it won't get through after the elections.

Nitros · 2012-01-19, 09:29

(2012-01-19 06:11)Stephen Wrote: The only other country where the internet is censored like this is China and you guessed it, they're a communist country.

Not true, north korea for example is much more limited than china. Similarly in some middle eastern contries there is similar policies.

bullet · 2012-01-19, 13:39

http://americancensorship.org/
- Petition

If this law comes through, I'll *Removed* get an anarchist!

Clockwork · 2012-01-19, 20:54

(2012-01-19 07:47)KaraK Wrote: It's been put on hold, but that doesn't mean it won't get through after the elections.

It's on hold, but it's on hold indefinitely.

**[TC]»Elmo«** · 2012-01-20, 03:08

(2012-01-19 20:54)Thomas Wrote:
(2012-01-19 07:47)KaraK Wrote: It's been put on hold, but that doesn't mean it won't get through after the elections.

It's on hold, but it's on hold indefinitely.

It'll more than likely come back in a few weeks under a different name.

McGherkin · 2012-01-20, 07:14

If they can shut down Megaupload without PIPA and SOPA, then clearly we don't need these new laws.

**[TC]»Pete«** · 2012-01-20, 17:46

(2012-01-20 07:14)McGherkin Wrote: If they can shut down Megaupload without PIPA and SOPA, then clearly we don't need these new laws.

Someone gets it.