Remove timed "getup"

[badmantru]

Hello, I am speaking on behalf of the tc motorcycle community.
The "getup" time is in theory a good idea, in practice not so much. Many times we are sitting there waiting for "getup" only to be shunted into the next dimension by a cop chase/ wwer/ chasee/ wreckless driving. The maps aren't best suited for bikes and alot of times can cause us to fall over (yes bikes fall over easily but not so easily as to it's always our fault) Please consider this, bikes are already at a disadvantage on most tracks and even with cop chases 9/10 times it ends in a bust due to a wreck. What will it hurt to have a instant up to save face of a wreck and possibility ruining someone elses chase/ trip simply due to the timing of getup.

[[TC]►BP◄]

My only concern would be suspects using !getup 180 to instantly spin themselves around and floor it in another direction.

[badmantru]

That is a good point, I hadn't thought of it. Though I think the majority of us that use bikes wouldn't exploit this otherwise we would be back here with a suggestion to correct the issue of abusing this command.

[SIMOX]

I think it would be nice if it took less time to getup.

[[TC]►Cam◄]

Unless there's a way to change the time it takes to get up when in a chase vs not in a chase, then -1.

[◄Chuck►]

Problem is, I cannot prevent people from using it while already standing up, because there is no information whether the vehicle has fallen over. I once asked Scawen on the server if he could spare a bit to get that information but he didn't change anything so far. So there simply needs to be a "penalty" to prevent people from using it just for fun. Like turning the vehicle at a red light 4 times in a second and other stupid ideas.

[badmantru]

I understand.

[Callys]

(2022-08-01 21:02)badmantru Wrote:  That is a good point, I hadn't thought of it. Though I think the majority of us that use bikes wouldn't exploit this otherwise we would be back here with a suggestion to correct the issue of abusing this command.

Well "the majority" seems more like a faith guess, so, it's not precise, i agree it is a little frustrating having to wait so much to get up so someone can come and wreck you, but you while are driving a bike have the same rights as the other users, AKA the right not to have your gameplay disrupted by other players, I guess that's what bothers you and most bikers, the ignorance some drivers have towards the bikers.
There's the reports for those situations or you can talk to the person itself.
Furthermore I don't seem how a instant getup will be fair tho, even in the chases topic bikes, if you get the handle of them, are very unbiased specially in long maps, other cars as example now in Montana have no chance against a good biker, so an instant getup would be even more op, maybe a reduced time getup should be fair enough.

[Tommer]

What about having timed !getup if 180 is passed, and instant !getup if no rotation is passed, that prevents the abuse vector and there are less instances where people need to turn their bike around after falling over anyway

[[RDSR] Misterviin]

No point to do anything, if you take motorcycle to chase, it's your own fault. Get a car, how hard can it be?

[Matt]

(2022-08-17 13:10)Misterviin Wrote:  No point to do anything, if you take motorcycle to chase, it's your own fault. Get a car, how hard can it be?

This has massive "be productive and buy a helicopter" vibes.

Going back to what Chuck said, I for one would welcome a penalty for spamming it, or at least reducing the timer to like 2-3 seconds? 10 is just excessive and a huge risk for someone coming along and yeeting you into the shadow realm.

[KiiT1337]

(2022-08-18 16:28)Matt Wrote:  

(2022-08-17 13:10)Misterviin Wrote:  No point to do anything, if you take motorcycle to chase, it's your own fault. Get a car, how hard can it be?

This has massive "be productive and buy a helicopter" vibes.

Going back to what Chuck said, I for one would welcome a penalty for spamming it, or at least reducing the timer to like 2-3 seconds? 10 is just excessive and a huge risk for someone coming along and yeeting you into the shadow realm.

Which oftenly happens with some certain rate, like, on kyoto, cars are constantly going over and over again at the same place in a certainly short amount of time, which means if the biker didnt getup in time to move, or at least really getup, or getup at the same time another car is coming, its basically 100% chance of yeet OOB, and make trip lost, unnecessary reports and else.
People losinig money too...

[tzuRu]

(2022-08-18 16:39)KiiT1337 Wrote:  

(2022-08-18 16:28)Matt Wrote:  

(2022-08-17 13:10)Misterviin Wrote:  No point to do anything, if you take motorcycle to chase, it's your own fault. Get a car, how hard can it be?

This has massive "be productive and buy a helicopter" vibes.

Going back to what Chuck said, I for one would welcome a penalty for spamming it, or at least reducing the timer to like 2-3 seconds? 10 is just excessive and a huge risk for someone coming along and yeeting you into the shadow realm.

Which oftenly happens with some certain rate, like, on kyoto, cars are constantly going over and over again at the same place in a certainly short amount of time, which means if the biker didnt getup in time to move, or at least really getup, or getup at the same time another car is coming, its basically 100% chance of yeet OOB, and make trip lost, unnecessary reports and else.
People losinig money too...

And you gotta take into Consideration, at least on Kyoto, that many people will go over the 160kmh limit and even being hit at 160kmh as a bike on the Road can be interesting so it won't be much better over that