28 Dead After Shooting At Connecticut Elementary School

[Malibu]

(2012-12-17 02:56)Kenwood Wrote:  

Quote:Does anyone care? Nope. We pretend we didn't see it. We pretend we don't see anything. Whatever bothers us, we simply complain about it. What else can we do?

That's the ignorance many outsiders (like Europe) see from Americans. Americans like to live a happy, easy life. Whatever bothers them is either spewed out to a psychologist or locked away like nuclear waste. Ignorance means we refuse to learn what we don't like. (I don't need to explain that one) So, this means we turn to guns. With a gun, we can almost instantly remove a threat.

Of course, removing one means matching or overpowering that threat. If one has that power, they can be a threat. The idea behind removing guns, is to remove any possible threats. That would mean we would also need to remove any steak knives, thumb tacks, cars, plastic bags, alprazolam, dioxin, bicycles, textbooks, computers, socialization, people, religious texts, heavy machinery, motorcycles, forks, coffee tables, nightstands, lamps, lampshades, Internet, paper, writing utensils, glasses, gasoline, air fresheners, cleaning agents, nails, nailguns, drills, and high heel shoes (thin heel). Imagine all of the threats we encounter in our daily lives? Removing it doesn't end it. It only inconveniences the problem and makes it smarter. The threat is the external influences that make us who we are.

It's not the tool that's dangerous. It's what uses it.

Or cause a major gunfight involving many victims.

This kind of ignorance just makes me cry.

Let's say this guy didn't have this 'tool', he would get another one right? Most logical replacement I can think of is a knife. How long do you think it would take to kill 28 people by knife compared to a gun? And besides that there's also a higher posibility of protecting yourself, or taking the knife from him.

But noooo, the gun he had surely didn't cause this.

The difference between guns and other weapons is that a gun is dangerous from any visible distance, other weapons barely are. There will always be threats, but your guns laws make these threats more likely to happen and make these threats more dangerous.

[Kyllone]

If the guy wouldn't have a gun, he wouldn't have shot anyone right?

I agree fully with every single word Malibu wrote.

[SO•Audiojack]

Lanza went to buy a rifle, but they didn't sell him one because of the background checks and a waiting period, which he didn't accept. So then he proceeded get weaponry by the means of theft

A fitting song:

[FR4NOx]

Malibu, I was explaining the thought process the typical American gun owner may have.

What ignorance am I displaying? I showed different perspectives and even covered pros and cons of them. I probably didn't do a great job of organizing the text but that's what I was trying to explain.

The real ignorance is claiming the gun is a murderer. The gun doesn't have free will.

I'd love to continue but I have class.

[Street]

Fun picture

[Nammi]

Amen!

[Malibu]

(2012-12-17 15:36)Kenwood Wrote:  Malibu, I was explaining the thought process the typical American gun owner may have.

What ignorance am I displaying? I showed different perspectives and even covered pros and cons of them. I probably didn't do a great job of organizing the text but that's what I was trying to explain.

The real ignorance is claiming the gun is a murderer. The gun doesn't have free will.

I'd love to continue but I have class.

You didn't.

And that's also a very bad argument, this way you could legalize any weapon, from knifes to atom bombs.

[FR4NOx]

I'm not supportive of gun control nor the open sale of weapons (or whatever the proper term is), I'm neutral on the subject.

Technically it would violate the 2nd Ammendment of the US Consitiution this country prides itself on, so complete gun control would be illegal here.

It's not a bad argument, it's just vague and easily exploitable. It is true though.

[Malibu]

(2012-12-17 21:54)Kenwood Wrote:  Technically it would violate the 2nd Ammendment of the US Consitiution this country prides itself on, so complete gun control would be illegal here.

Sorry, I didn't know the US was diagnosed with terminal idiocy.

[FR4NOx]

Yup. Frankly, I don't think this country is going to last much longer the way it is.

[Adampower]

I think the discussion points raised in this thread, this will make a very interesting read taken from a uk newspaper which contains the speech which Mr Obama said:

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Daily Mail Wrote:He (Obama) took the time to reach out to another grieving family as he held the granddaughter of school principal Dawn Hochsprung tightly in his arms, as he marveled over the brave actions of the woman who lost her life trying to prevent the gunman from entering the building.
Her daughter Cristina Hassinger tweeted a picture with the poignant caption: 'My mom would be SO proud to see President Obama holding her granddaughter. But not as proud as I am of her'.

The personal approach to the evening continued when Mr Obama used scripture in an effort to comfort the families of the victims of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting.

President Obama hugged the granddaughter of heroic principal Dawn Hochsprung who was shot to death trying to protect the students

'You are not alone in your grief,' President Obama said. 'All across this land our world too has been torn apart. All across this land we wept with you and pulled our children tight. Newtown, you are not alone.'

In one of the most religious speeches of his presidency, Mr Obama talked about how the ultimate goal for a society is to protect their children.

'If we don't get that right, we don't get anything right. By that measure, can we truly say as a nation that we are doing our obligations?' he said.

'We gather here in memory of 20 beautiful children and six remarkable adults. They lost their lives in a school that could have been any school in a quiet town full of good and decent people that could have been any town in America.

'All across this land of ours, we have wept with you. We've pulled our children tight, and you must know whatever measure of comfort we can provide, we will provide it.'

As expected, he made several references to the prospective- and likely- legal battles that will come as politicians fight for tougher restrictions on guns in the wake of the shooting. That said, he was clear to avoid specific plans, but took aim at the arguments made by activists who point to the Second Amendment's right to bear arms as a reason to keep guns accessible.

'Are we prepared to say that such violence visited upon our children year after year after year is somehow the price of our freedom?' he said.

Yet the President also made clear that the cause of gun violence is a 'complex' range of issues, perhaps an acknowledgment to those who are against stronger gun control.

'We will be told that the causes of such violence will be complex and that is true. No single law, no set of laws can eliminate evil from the world or prevent every senseless act of violence in our society,' he said.

'But that can't be an excuse for inaction. Surely we can do better than this,' the President added.

A particularly poignant moment came in the speech when Mr Obama read the first names of all 20 children who died in the shooting.

'We can't accept events like this as routine. Are we really prepared to say that we're powerless in the face of such carnage?' he said, referring to the four other mass shootings that have taken place since Mr Obama was elected

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[Blade3562]

Obama has stated a similar statement after each event. But I forgot the link but am on my iPhone. They said gun control support is still at a point lower than Colombine. People realize the gun was procured illegally. We went to the shooting range today and had t wait over a half an hour! I have never waited that long to shoot before! It was awesome! And even old ladies were there taking pistol courses! I am ordering my STG-44(assault rifle) friday!

[SO•Audiojack]

(2012-12-18 04:43)Blade3562 Wrote:  ordering my STG-44

Well atleast that has a lot of historical value

Is it actually a genuine StG from the 40's?

[Kayla]

Btw kinda good thing I read:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2...k-victims/

[◄Chuck►]

I find it rather disturbing that every news broadcast on TV and radio for the last days start with the words "After a shooting in a US elementary school blah blah". Now suddenly everyone acts like they were personally concerned. Would any news-show even mention it more than once if it was an elementary school in Mexico and not the United States? Would American TV-stations begin every show with that headline if it was Germany or France? I don't think so.
That virtual "cease fire" is just grotesque too. What happened was certainly a human tragedy but quite frankly, I don't care. It is 8,000km away and neither my family nor any friends live there, why would I care? People die every day, everywhere on the planet and nobody gives a damn. Did anyone ever ask for a "ceasefire" for the
people getting killed in Syria these days or the child-soldiers in Uganda?
Just because its the USA this time, it's something different?

[Kayla]

(2012-12-18 15:43)Chuck Wrote:  That virtual "cease fire" is just grotesque too. What happened was certainly a human tragedy but quite frankly, I don't care. It is 8,000km away and neither my family nor any friends live there, why would I care? People die every day, everywhere on the planet and nobody gives a damn. Did anyone ever ask for a "ceasefire" for the
people getting killed in Syria these days or the child-soldiers in Uganda?
Just because its the USA this time, it's something different?

The thing is, that I guess most of the online Ego-Shooter gamers are coming from the United States, as well as many games are developed there (I know, DICE is in Sweden I think). That's probably why the "cease fire" started virtually, which is in my opinion a nice gesture.

[Pipa]

Well there are certainly a lot of reasons that contributed to this tragedy, but video games are not the crucial factor. It has got nothing to do with it and it's about as effective as all those facebook likes for world peace.

Not saying sympathy is wrong, but since i am not emotionally involved i don't feel anything. However i am interested that these things don't happen again, but from the looks of it i have my doubts.

[Adampower]

Actually Chuck, there was lots and lots of coverage of a shooting at a school in france, by people on motorbikes not too long ago.

[Malibu]

Go obama!

Actually Chuck is right, I shouldn't be caring either.

[FR4NOx]

Let's not forget that most Americans are incredibly conceited. "We're the best country in the world" still flies here.

Considering I live literally 150mi away, it's endlessly preached about in school and everyone looks at each other like murderers. It's incredibly annoying.

And to finalize the American media, no, it would not be in the news unless an American was involved. We only care about Canadians because we share a border and is similar to us in certain ways. It's all about ratings here, not about content. (Fox News..hinthint)