Trackday layout suggestion

[[TC]►Ash◄]

(2022-12-11 15:25)Felipe Jardim Wrote:  

(2022-12-11 07:43)Ash Wrote:  Problem with this is that you'll be restricting those who actually enjoy the Trackday variant from enjoying it to its full potential (i.e full with other players, giving a really immersive experience).

What we have in place now (as in the current Trackday Rotation Schedule) covers everyones favourite tracks fairly (ok, lets exclude Rockingham).

I for one would be annoyed if your suggestion was implemented Franky, because Blackwood Trackday is my personal favourite, but I know as soon as the Non-Trackday variant was being offered on Server Two, everyone would just leave to join there.

So, you're basically saying that a small handful of people actually would partake in trackday stuff, while most people would flock to the full layout server...what does that tell you? Seems like for one week we give a handful of people what they wan't vs the entire community.

Why is 90% of sever traffic on the side roads and not on the track?

There are two severs, i don't see why we can't have this. Hell, now that i remember there was even a 3rd server with full blackwood on permanently.

Trackday popularity would rise with regular mini events that don't require much organization or scrutiny. I think this would be the best solution. Maybe then the industrial side roads won't be so cluttered.

Unfortunately this is one of those topics where there is no ideal outcome because not every single person will ever be satisfied.

Hence, why we have the Track Rotation Schedule. Every single variant of our server offerings is available fairly and frequently for all players to enjoy.

I really dislike Kyoto, its a terrible track for a 'City Driving' setup because people just go around and round in circles. But I don't make a fuss about it, because I understand it is very popular with other players.

At the end of the day, its 7 days. I think this argument may be more valid if we had each variant on for a prolonged period of time... but its not. I don't want to sound rude, but I think people just need to suck it up and understand that what one person dislikes, doesn't mean every other person dislikes.

[[TC]►BP◄]

fWANKy Wrote:most hotlappers (including me) actually dont want the random no brain dribbles on the track when we do our hotlaps. the chat and so these people are too much of a distraction. thus having a seperate server away from said dribbles is a better solution.

How will having TD on one server and non-TD on the other server reduce the number of hotlapping incidents you have? If anything, it would increase. People hotlapping want to hotlap.

fWANKy Wrote:tbh trackday on both servers doesnt make sense anyway, ur just wasting the server because no one joins it anyway, atleast with my idea it will be more populated and have 60+ users like on kyoto and aston did.

Three are currently 60+ players spread across both BL TD servers (AFAIK today's peak was 66).

[fWANKy]

(2022-12-11 15:16)Ash Wrote:  We've got 42 players currently on Server One and 12 on Server Two. I think the numbers wouldn't be so high if people really didn't enjoy it.

yes 42 people on a sunday and most of them will be messng around,so not "city driving"

most people on server 2 are afk too.

just wait until during the week and always with trackday the server wont be full. the best solution is to have normal layout on server 2.

cmon ash wake up son and accept the fact im right. u have server 1 to do ur boring cruising around the same 4 houses, so give us server2 for people who have a brain and dont want to drive on that monotonous shit all week.. it just makes sense.

[[TC]►Ash◄]

Thanks Frank for the feedback. I will refer you back to my first reply in this thread.

Cheers.

[fWANKy]

(2022-12-11 16:09)BP Wrote:  

fWANKy Wrote:most hotlappers (including me) actually dont want the random no brain dribbles on the track when we do our hotlaps. the chat and so these people are too much of a distraction. thus having a seperate server away from said dribbles is a better solution.

How will having TD on one server and non-TD on the other server reduce the number of hotlapping incidents you have? If anything, it would increase. People hotlapping want to hotlap.

fWANKy Wrote:tbh trackday on both servers doesnt make sense anyway, ur just wasting the server because no one joins it anyway, atleast with my idea it will be more populated and have 60+ users like on kyoto and aston did.

Three are currently 60+ players spread across both BL TD servers (AFAIK today's peak was 66).

ofc its sunday,duh


how do u get more??? lets be honest theres like at tops 5-7 people who actually hotlap seriously and dont want to get wreaked or distracted by these bad people which theres alot of them since as u said the server is full now,so people will go on the track not giving a feck about the rules etc..not the first time i have been crashed by some"certain players" messing on the trackday because their forced to be there on trackday and all they do is mess around causing trouble and crashes. makes sense to give the 5-10 people a server wihout these "certain people" who will go on server 2 to mess around on , which makes more sense to do since there wont be a forced trackday there .

[[TC]►Ras◄]

(2022-12-11 16:15)fWANKy Wrote:  yes 42 people on a sunday and most of them will be messng around,so not "city driving"

Wrong. People are driving around, cruising, doing jobs, and whatever else normally happens on the servers. No so called messing around.

(2022-12-11 16:15)fWANKy Wrote:  most people on server 2 are afk too.

Wrong. Majority are driving.

(2022-12-11 16:15)fWANKy Wrote:  just wait until during the week and always with trackday the server wont be full. the best solution is to have normal layout on server 2.

People's schedule during the week doesn't change depending on what track is on. There's often less on outside of weekends for obvious reasons that is out of our hands.

(2022-12-11 16:15)fWANKy Wrote:  cmon ash wake up son and accept the fact im right. u have server 1 to do ur boring cruising around the same 4 houses, so give us server2 for people who have a brain and dont want to drive on that monotonous shit all week.. it just makes sense.

There are no facts or sense in anything you've said in this thread. You're just claiming random things at this point, which is rather frivolous.

[fWANKy]

(2022-12-11 16:16)Ash Wrote:  Thanks Frank for the feedback. I will refer you back to my first reply in this thread.

Cheers.

sob cause u dont wont it the community doesnt get it? sounds fair.. what about the 14 people who voted yes and the comments in this thread?? y'all should listen to them people.

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(2022-12-11 16:27)Ras Wrote:  

(2022-12-11 16:15)fWANKy Wrote:  yes 42 people on a sunday and most of them will be messng around,so not "city driving"

Wrong. People are driving around, cruising, doing jobs, and whatever else normally happens on the servers. No so called messing around.

(2022-12-11 16:15)fWANKy Wrote:  most people on server 2 are afk too.

Wrong. Majority are driving.

(2022-12-11 16:15)fWANKy Wrote:  just wait until during the week and always with trackday the server wont be full. the best solution is to have normal layout on server 2.

People's schedule during the week doesn't change depending on what track is on. There's often less on outside of weekends for obvious reasons that is out of our hands.

(2022-12-11 16:15)fWANKy Wrote:  cmon ash wake up son and accept the fact im right. u have server 1 to do ur boring cruising around the same 4 houses, so give us server2 for people who have a brain and dont want to drive on that monotonous shit all week.. it just makes sense.

There are no facts or sense in anything you've said in this thread. You're just claiming random things at this point, which is rather frivolous.

yes people are messing and i said most people are afk not all,other tracks werefull on weekdays too, i always had to wait ages untill i got on.trackday isnt the same. also how theres no sense in what i have posted ? the people speak ras, u should listen theres no sense in keeping same layout for both servers.

[[TC]►Ash◄]

So the other 10 players who voted No do not count because they haven’t voted the same as you? We should just disregard their opinion?

[fWANKy]

(2022-12-11 16:37)Ash Wrote:  So the other 10 players who voted No do not count because they haven’t voted the same as you? We should just disregard their opinion?

its a democracy its the way life works, more people voted yes.

[[TC]►Ash◄]

24 players is too small of a subset to mean anything. We had 823 unique players last week, can you get some more opinions to substantiate this please.

[fWANKy]

yes so where are these 800 players then? lmao that doesnt mean shit when they clearly dont stay.

i just see the same people who are bored of this shit all the time, just let us be free, give us the option of what we want to drive on.

[[TC]►Ash◄]

Quite interestingly, I've been collecting minute-by-minute stats from the [TC] API for about the last month or so now. Let me enlighten you as to how many players are potential 'regulars' who clearly are staying...

Last week - 823 active players
1 Week ago - 807 active players
2 Weeks ago - 777 active players
3 Weeks ago - 791 active players

I don't quite get your "bored of this ... all the time". You literally have this week, then almost 4 months until its seen again.

Anyway sorry I'm done now.

[Tris]

(2022-12-11 16:43)Ash Wrote:  24 players is too small of a subset to mean anything. We had 823 unique players last week, can you get some more opinions to substantiate this please.

If you want more people to weigh in an admin can create a pole thread and post the link as an ad on the server like was done in the past for the old BL to encourage people to vote.

But honestly your argument that because there's a low number of votes the result doesn't mean anything is pathetic. Some variation of this suggestion has been made numerous times in the past and not a single time did the majority favor to leave BLTD as it is across both servers.

Poll: Should Server 1 and 2 be track day and non track day respectively?(28 votes)

Poll: Remove Blackwood Trackday from rotation?(52 votes)

Bring back non-trackday layouts on server 2(28 votes)

Poll: remove trackday(41 votes)

Removing RACE license in Blackwood(50 votes)

Does the fact that there's 6 threads on the same topic arguing for the same thing where every single time the majority of votes agree not tell you anything?

[fWANKy]

as tris aptly pointed out there has been numerous complaints and several threads from people who want to have this too, all them full of replies to supoort this idea.

also ash the question still stands where are they then? clearly not on tc since there is 52 players on, clearly these new players, join , get bored of this layout and go again.

go through all the threads tris posted and dont tell me that is still not enough "substatial eveidence"

[Felipe Jardim]

(2022-12-11 16:27)Ras Wrote:  

(2022-12-11 16:15)fWANKy Wrote:  yes 42 people on a sunday and most of them will be messng around,so not "city driving"

Wrong. People are driving around, cruising, doing jobs, and whatever else normally happens on the servers. No so called messing around.

This is not entirely true, aside from players who mind their own business that is. As soon as admins are out of sight that main stretch in the industrial park becomes a ramfest shitshow. Look at all the crashing that goes on, im sure there is a way to pull up a log on crashes.

[[TC]►BP◄]

Quote:ofc its sunday,duh

Same thing today, and it is now Monday.

[KiiT1337]

When that shit about trackday come alive again, i had a tought that yous would make mini events, small stuff so everyone who really want to participate in that specific day could join, like: "tomorrow we gonna have trackday layout, feel free to sign up".
(thinking about trackday like a moment of fun, and who really wants to, just go on)

Event goes down, back to open track.

Buuuut, i used to love playing on westhill, big track, open, numerous routes, noice bridges, decent map, isnt it? Not at all, we just got jailed into only 2, but specific type of layouts, one that you're inside, and another one you're outside the cage.

WE Retro: OK, old vibes, flashbacks for WE we had in the past.

WE Trackday: Same shit as BL.

WE Open?????????????? (not seen in months...)

Whats the point on focus to make the City Driving server in a trackday server? Isnt it better to shut down the servers and make it only trackday? Oh, i just remembered, that when all of this started to come by, i used to say "here we go to another trackweek" looks like it still the same, and not gonna change.

Are y'all from the admins and staff really paying attention to the server? Have y'all even just joined the server and watch how things goes by at SV1 and SV2?

Speaking about BL:
SV1 mostly FULL, and when not full, only main street has someone driving (empty racetrack)

SV2 mostly EMPTY, and when not zero players, we have max 8~10 people, which half of them are afk, or just working, or gravel road farming.

Speaking about WE:
SV1 also FULL, but depends on the track, we have a numerous amount of crashes (the chicane itself is auto explanatory, since we have the barriers there)

SV2 also empty, but at least we have some peace to drive.

[[TC]►Ras◄]

A lot of people clearly enjoy everything BL TD has to offer. Would be a shame to take it away because a smaller portion of the player base dislikes it (your favourite track will come too in the track rotation!). No doubt every track has a similar amount of people, who dislikes it.



fwanky this is on a random tuesday. Not even a weekend! Full server and everything!

[fWANKy]

(2022-12-13 20:26)Ras Wrote:  A lot of people clearly enjoy everything BL TD has to offer. Would be a shame to take it away because a smaller portion of the player base dislikes it (your favourite track will come too in the track rotation!). No doubt every track has a similar amount of people, who dislikes it.



fwanky this is on a random tuesday. Not even a weekend! Full server and everything!

i said nothing about taking trackday away. leave it on server 1 for those people to play on it.

just simplely chnage the layput to normal blackwood on server 2.

its so easy and soo many other want it too

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also ofcc server full because of xmas holidays. these people clearly dont have anything better to do than cruise on tc.

[Felipe Jardim]

Based on current and previous polls it's obvious that majority of people would enjoy having a TD and non TD layout on both servers respectively, and it's clear that the admins are deliberately overlooking this fact for the sake of variety in the track rotation schedules.

Someone mentioned that if the servers are split, the players who enjoy TD won't get the "whole experience" because most people would flock to the other layout. I find this to be a pretty shallow excuse, because non track people often clutter the chat (along with insim messages) and distract players who are doing time attacks. People on the track aren't going to miss the people in the rest of the map... Split servers would definitely help this aspect of it because TD people would be in a more relaxed environment with TD related discussions on the chat.

It's amazing how some of the admins are just completely ignoring this and saying that it's fine and people want it. All of the NO voters won't be affected by a change regarding this in any way or shape. I think a lot of those votes came from people who just want to disagree with frank