Bimmy m46 v10 restriction change

[RevLeon]

(2023-05-04 23:20)Baboulinet4 Wrote:  

(2023-05-03 13:52)KiiT1337 Wrote:  

(2023-04-21 06:11)BP Wrote:  This will be marked as rejected (or at least on hold) for now. I think the restriction is sensible and we haven't had too many individuals respond here.

Also, I agree rental price is too low for many vehicles.
This is because "STDRENT" vehicles (cars which aren't yet in the dealer) have a base rental price which happens to be unreasonably low for most mods. I've made a suggestion internally about this.

Wdym y'all didnt had many respond? Everytime a post about restricting cars is put up just check the quotes under it. ITS clearly visible, just check each one.
And now the victim of the time is the old beetle, fuca 1.6 turbo, it was alright, until some of the staff cant catch it cause its fast, then BOOM 50% restriction, NICE!

What is this? A ping pong game or what? Wait until nobody is watching it and do stuff?
Thats "clever" if i can put it like that...

And again, why not restrict ALL mods to 300hp engine, why not? Its the best way out, its EASY.
Or!, make as our buddy down here said, S2 AGAIN!

(2023-04-16 12:00)7mar Wrote:  make the server s2 again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

+999999

The Fuca, you mean, this 552hp/837kg (670hp/ton) 1940's beetle with GT3 class's levels of downforce without any wing and without any undertray?

Outside the fact that the car should produce around 130hp maximum and not 550, without any aerodynamism and tires 205mm wide, this thing should a turning ability close to the LX4 or even less, or, at the moment, this car overperforms a FZ50 GT in corners and in straights, aka a 911 GT3, which is not good.

Don't make the server S2 again :

-> stop making and / or requesting pointless and unrealistic mods <-

(This goes for the Pushback Tug too, MGFIVE tractor was funnier and removed for less.)

Want a car that can make 300kph with a high level of downforce? Make a Gumpert Apollo, a Caparo T1, a 911 GT2RS, an AMG One, AMG GT Black Series or a Zenvo TSR-S or whatever car is at the top of the Nordshleife leaderboard, pay it 350.000€ in-game and have a 0.5€ income.

Don't make a magic undertray with 1536 Newtons of downforce to a stock 1940's beetle body, and don't add magically 400hp to a 1940's air cooled inline 4 even with a Turbo.

Because at this point, i'd rather do my 1st gen Citroen C3 in the game, make it 2000hp from a tuned 2JZ-GTE that I put somewhere in the car, oh and I borrowed the fan from the McMurtry Speirling , so my C3 now makes 9G in corners, what a car ! Seriously.

This is the same for the Bimmers, I'm not asking for something incredible, just, realistic physics.

Remove the downforce, or put a VERY LITTLE bit of it, put the real power and torque numbers, and we're good.

(3398 Newtons of downforce on the Bimmer V10 version, more than -> a 2006 Formula One car at equal wing angles <- (yes, the BF1.), for real?)

Same for the Fuca. If it had realistic numbers, i'd be okay with it.

Keep the performance numbers stock, or at least, realistic for the car.

Looks pretty realistic to me.. People seem to forget stock cars are not the only cars in the world. And just because some numbers don't add up it doesn't mean it's not realistic. I look at cars how they drive in real life and I want the same experience from the LFS car. If a car has a lot of grip in real life and can do 300km/h I want that car to be the same in the game, I don't care if downforce says 37593428758 Nm as long as it feels the same as IRL. Anyway BP please close the thread, I have nothing else to add and this has turned into an off-topic rant thread.

[Ghutra]

That bimmer isn't exactly too stock either





If the model reflected what the car in video is it could be justified to have such handling.

[Baboulinet4]

(2023-05-05 02:18)Ghutra Wrote:  That bimmer isn't exactly too stock either





If the model reflected what the car in video is it could be justified to have such handling.

Again -> for the car you're making <-

If this V10 produces 600hp, make the car 600hp, no problem.

But I doubt about the car producing 1.5G of lateral force at 200kph (numbers I got on LFS, both with the bimmer V10 and the FZR, on equal wing angles) on street tires.

If the IRL car can do it, no problem.

[Felipe Jardim]

The downforce/aero of the mod is what makes it so overpowered, and the only way to circumvent that is to impose a restriction.

Assuming the car in the video shared has a stock engine, its only good for 507hp and 300ftlbs of torque which is roughly what this mod makes after the 30% restriction. even with bolt ons added, i don't see it making anymore than 550hp considering that engine is already high strung from the factory. With that mild aero work, it's not putting out GT3 or F1 levels of downforce, but enough of it to keep it stable in high speed cornering.

I know some of you think the numbers in the downforce page might be negligible or outright irrelevant, but in practicality, they determine the overall performance of the vehicle. If it made 1/2 of the downforce that it actually does, i wouldn't think a restriction would be needed at all since that mod struggles to put power down effectively in lower speeds, which adds a natural handicap. Not to mention tire life is not that great if you don't manage/nurse them for sustained periods of flat out driving.

[KiiT1337]

(2023-05-04 23:20)Baboulinet4 Wrote:  

(2023-05-03 13:52)KiiT1337 Wrote:  

(2023-04-21 06:11)BP Wrote:  This will be marked as rejected (or at least on hold) for now. I think the restriction is sensible and we haven't had too many individuals respond here.

Also, I agree rental price is too low for many vehicles.
This is because "STDRENT" vehicles (cars which aren't yet in the dealer) have a base rental price which happens to be unreasonably low for most mods. I've made a suggestion internally about this.

Wdym y'all didnt had many respond? Everytime a post about restricting cars is put up just check the quotes under it. ITS clearly visible, just check each one.
And now the victim of the time is the old beetle, fuca 1.6 turbo, it was alright, until some of the staff cant catch it cause its fast, then BOOM 50% restriction, NICE!

What is this? A ping pong game or what? Wait until nobody is watching it and do stuff?
Thats "clever" if i can put it like that...

And again, why not restrict ALL mods to 300hp engine, why not? Its the best way out, its EASY.
Or!, make as our buddy down here said, S2 AGAIN!

(2023-04-16 12:00)7mar Wrote:  make the server s2 again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

+999999

The Fuca, you mean, this 552hp/837kg (670hp/ton) 1940's beetle with GT3 class's levels of downforce without any wing and without any undertray?

Outside the fact that the car should produce around 130hp maximum and not 550, without any aerodynamism and tires 205mm wide, this thing should a turning ability close to the LX4 or even less, or, at the moment, this car overperforms a FZ50 GT in corners and in straights, aka a 911 GT3, which is not good.

Don't make the server S2 again :

-> stop making and / or requesting pointless and unrealistic mods <-

(This goes for the Pushback Tug too, MGFIVE tractor was funnier and removed for less.)

Want a car that can make 300kph with a high level of downforce? Make a Gumpert Apollo, a Caparo T1, a 911 GT2RS, an AMG One, AMG GT Black Series or a Zenvo TSR-S or whatever car is at the top of the Nordshleife leaderboard, pay it 350.000€ in-game and have a 0.5€ income.

Don't make a magic undertray with 1536 Newtons of downforce to a stock 1940's beetle body, and don't add magically 400hp to a 1940's air cooled inline 4 even with a Turbo.

Because at this point, i'd rather do my 1st gen Citroen C3 in the game, make it 2000hp from a tuned 2JZ-GTE that I put somewhere in the car, oh and I borrowed the fan from the McMurtry Speirling , so my C3 now makes 9G in corners, what a car ! Seriously.

This is the same for the Bimmers, I'm not asking for something incredible, just, realistic physics.

Remove the downforce, or put a VERY LITTLE bit of it, put the real power and torque numbers, and we're good.

(3398 Newtons of downforce on the Bimmer V10 version, more than -> a 2006 Formula One car at equal wing angles <- (yes, the BF1.), for real?)

Same for the Fuca. If it had realistic numbers, i'd be okay with it.

Keep the performance numbers stock, or at least, realistic for the car.

And after all that u wrote, u clearly haven't seen/driven the Fuca, to understand whats up to it.

Its not an stock beetle engine, its not an flat engine, its not an N/A engine.

Also i agree on taking off the aero, or at least restricting it, but still, that thing on low speeds is scary, too much HP, and barely grips on low speed.
High speed is basically aero and nothing else, because short distance between axles, and we know, a tiny bitty move and snaps all around...

(2023-05-05 20:13)Felipe Jardim Wrote:  The downforce/aero of the mod is what makes it so overpowered, and the only way to circumvent that is to impose a restriction.

Assuming the car in the video shared has a stock engine, its only good for 507hp and 300ftlbs of torque which is roughly what this mod makes after the 30% restriction. even with bolt ons added, i don't see it making anymore than 550hp considering that engine is already high strung from the factory. With that mild aero work, it's not putting out GT3 or F1 levels of downforce, but enough of it to keep it stable in high speed cornering.

I know some of you think the numbers in the downforce page might be negligible or outright irrelevant, but in practicality, they determine the overall performance of the vehicle. If it made 1/2 of the downforce that it actually does, i wouldn't think a restriction would be needed at all since that mod struggles to put power down effectively in lower speeds, which adds a natural handicap. Not to mention tire life is not that great if you don't manage/nurse them for sustained periods of flat out driving.

And gosh, thanks for the common sense Garden, and +1 to the tyre life management on this game...
1 funny and quick lap pushing over the car/driver limit and they melt quickly..