New computer.

[Dowpy]

Hello.
Im planning on buy a new computer. I dont know very much about computers. Like what i can play etc, So my question is, will i be able to play bf3 on ultra with 60fps and other games ofc on MAX Graphics with NO lag?

SPECS:
Intel® Core™ i7-2600K
16 GB DDR3 1600MHz
1TB + 80GB SSD-disk
2x GeForce GTX 560 SLI
Stealthfighter-design
Blu-ray
Intel Z68-chipset

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Please tell me what you think about it, im not gonna build one myself just saying.
Thanks.

[[TC] Crille]

My thoughts:

* Take away the Bluray-reader unless you have Bluray DVD's that you watch on your computer.
* I'd say you go for a cheaper i5 proccesor unless you are rendering or doing other stuff that is procceesor-heavy. You could use the money you save there on a more expensive videocard.
* If I where you I'd look for a newer graphicscard, 560 is getting old. Nvidia has launched their new 600'series and ATI has launced some cards aswell.

Here are some graphs showing how some of the graphicards that are out on the market performs. First graph shows a test on some of the older graphiccards and the second one shows a test the newer ones.

Green line is: Avarage FPS
Red line is Lowest FPS

[FR4NOx]

(2012-09-02 14:53)Dowpie Wrote:  SPECS:
Intel® Core™ i5-2500K (Maybe even just a 2500 if you don't plan on overclocking)
8 GB DDR3 1600MHz (Is all you really need)
1TB + 80GB SSD-disk
GTX 660 Ti/670 (SLI is a waste of time, imo)
Stealthfighter-design
Blu-ray (Do you watch Blu-Ray movies?)
Intel Z68-chipset (Good choice, but if you want to go with Ivy Bridge instead of Sandy then a Z77 would be better)

Fixed.

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Currently NVIDIA seems to have the edge with the 600 series when it comes to price/performance. 16 GB of ram is a lot, maxing out 8GB would be a challenge for most people.

What do you do on the computer apart from playing games? You probably don't need the i7, and the money saved and go to a better GPU like Crille said.

[KaraK [T]]

Kenwood, don't just think of what you need now, but what you might need in the future. 16GB of RAM seems much now, but I'm sure more and more games or programs will require more RAM, so why not if you have the money. Plus, it's nice to showoff. As is the i7.

What's your budget, Dowpy?

[FR4NOx]

(2012-09-02 16:17)KaraK Wrote:  Kenwood, don't just think of what you need now, but what you might need in the future. 16GB of RAM seems much now, but I'm sure more and more games or programs will require more RAM, so why not if you have the money. Plus, it's nice to showoff. As is the i7.

What's your budget, Dowpy?

I know, but it's easy to upgrade RAM yourself. Everybody and their grandmother have done it.

[KaraK [T]]

I'd rather have a computer which I don't have to upgrade myself in 2 years, so I won't have to worry about buying parts later on.
Even though it's easy, you'll still need to get RAM compatible with your motherboard, which will probably be older by the time you'd be upgrading it. Also, he said he didn't want to build it himself. Guessing this includes installing parts later on.

Depends on what Dowpy wants. If you have enough money, get the max you can get.

[FR4NOx]

(2012-09-02 16:22)KaraK Wrote:  I'd rather have a computer which I don't have to upgrade myself in 2 years, so I won't have to worry about buying parts later on.
Even though it's easy, you'll still need to get RAM compatible with your motherboard, which will probably be older by the time you'd be upgrading it. Also, he said he didn't want to build it himself. Guessing this includes installing parts later on.

Depends on what Dowpy wants. If you have enough money, get the max you can get.

In comparison, when my mom got her XPS ten years ago with 512mb of ram, we didn't need to upgrade the ram until 7 years after we bought it.

Just saying. (and they still make DDR ram ;])

Also some manufacturers charge a lot for the extra ram when you can save so much money by putting it in yourself, but if Dowpy wants to spend another 80€ or so upgrading it with the manufacturer then it's his money, his choice.

[KaraK [T]]

Unless your mom is a gamer playing the latest games, you can't compare her to Dowpy.

[FR4NOx]

(2012-09-02 16:47)KaraK Wrote:  Unless your mom is a gamer playing the latest games, you can't compare her to Dowpy.

Fair enough. We only have Saffy to fit that description.

[Dowpy]

(2012-09-02 15:43)Crille Wrote:  My thoughts:

* Take away the Bluray-reader unless you have Bluray DVD's that you watch on your computer.
* I'd say you go for a cheaper i5 proccesor unless you are rendering or doing other stuff that is procceesor-heavy. You could use the money you save there on a more expensive videocard.
* If I where you I'd look for a newer graphicscard, 560 is getting old. Nvidia has launched their new 600'series and ATI has launced some cards aswell.

Here are some graphs showing how some of the graphicards that are out on the market performs. First graph shows a test on some of the older graphiccards and the second one shows a test the newer ones.

Green line is: Avarage FPS
Red line is Lowest FPS


Ah i see, as you are from Sweden you maybe wanna link a computer from like, NetOnNet because im gonna buy it there

First of all, Thanks! as you are from Sweden you maybe wanna link a computer from like, NetOnNet im gonna buy it there.That you think is good for these games i explained, or i just said bf3 but like other games like bf3 that takes alot, And yes the blueray, i dont have blueray movies so there is no need to get one with bluray as you said, Link me one if you want .

(2012-09-02 15:58)Kenwood Wrote:  

(2012-09-02 14:53)Dowpie Wrote:  SPECS:
Intel® Core™ i5-2500K (Maybe even just a 2500 if you don't plan on overclocking)
8 GB DDR3 1600MHz (Is all you really need)
1TB + 80GB SSD-disk
GTX 660 Ti/670 (SLI is a waste of time, imo)
Stealthfighter-design
Blu-ray (Do you watch Blu-Ray movies?)
Intel Z68-chipset (Good choice, but if you want to go with Ivy Bridge instead of Sandy then a Z77 would be better)

Fixed.

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Currently NVIDIA seems to have the edge with the 600 series when it comes to price/performance. 16 GB of ram is a lot, maxing out 8GB would be a challenge for most people.

What do you do on the computer apart from playing games? You probably don't need the i7, and the money saved and go to a better GPU like Crille said.

Ah you are right. i should get a better Graphic card instead and go for a i5.
The only thing i do really is to like, listen to music and play games, chatting etc.
Thanks for giving me tips =] Thats what i need.

(2012-09-02 16:17)KaraK Wrote:  Kenwood, don't just think of what you need now, but what you might need in the future. 16GB of RAM seems much now, but I'm sure more and more games or programs will require more RAM, so why not if you have the money. Plus, it's nice to showoff. As is the i7.

What's your budget, Dowpy?

1400-1600 €

I think i did this quote thingy completely wrong now, i hope not lol, never really did this before ;X

[FR4NOx]

Hmm NetOnNet doesn't seem to have much of a selection, or am I doing something wrong? lol
Translated my way to this: http://www.netonnet.se/art/dator/gaming/...2791.5425/
It's the second best graphics card on the site. Best in your budget.

[Dowpy]

Oh really?. You did it right, then i guess i will need to check another sight then, called like, Inet.com or Komplett.se And see if i find something good there =]

[[TC] Crille]

Ye inet.se or komplett.se are the sites to buy from

Just wondering: Will BF3 be the most demanding game that you will play? Will you only run 1 monitor with 1920x1080? Will you be overclocking the processor or graphicscard?

[FR4NOx]

Worthy of a look on Komplett.se:

Gamer i10 (though the 1333MHz RAM is below average for today's standards)
Gamer Premium BF3 Edition (same thing with the ram, and a slightly slower model i5, but TWO GTX 660 Ti's!)
Gamer i25 Crazy Edition (with the i7, 16Gb RAM, and the 670...sweet deal)

I personally prefer the i25 because it has the most RAM, the fastest RAM, the i7, and the GTX 670 (I prefer single card solutions instead of SLI/CrossFireX) and seems to be the best in the long run (great if you want to keep the thing for 10 years). I think it's the best deal. I'm not sure if most games support SLI/Xfire, anyway.

The BF3 edition is best for pure gaming performance with two graphics cards, and the i10 is the cheapest one, but still very capable.

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On Inet:

http://www.inet.se/produkt/1517099/tauru...0-i5-3570k
**Overclockable!**

Looks like that's the best performing one in your budget, you can save 1000SEK by going with the 660 Ti in the model under it.

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From both sites, the Komplett Gamer i25 looks like the best deal.

By the way, were you planning on overclocking?

[[TC]»Elmo«]

(2012-09-02 16:17)KaraK Wrote:  Kenwood, don't just think of what you need now, but what you might need in the future.

By that metric, he may as well spend 2 grand on a CPU, 3x €800 graphics cards, 64GB RAM a 512GB SSD and a couple of 3TB HDDs, because he *might* need it in future.

What he really needs to be thinking about is what he's likely to need in the next 3-5 years.


The current state of things:

i5-2550/3550 is plenty for gaming, any more is overkill. The i7-2600k is ~1.2x faster. If it's around 1.2x the price, then go for it.

8GB RAM is plenty for most people, and probably will be for the foreseeable future, especially if you have a fast SSD system drive (for paging). 8GB has only really been common on higher end enthusiast PCs for the last year or so. Unless you're planning on doing heavy video editing/photoshop/CAD or VMs, you're going to have a hard time using up 8GB.
Even if you do have problems in the next few years, DDR3 RAM will still be cheaply available if history is anything to go by - it took a few years for DDR3 to get as cheap as DDR2 and the DDR4 specification isn't even finished yet.
I've only been close to hitting 8GB usage on mine once; that was with Firefox (a few hundred tabs), multiple large Photoshop files (2.5GB RAM), several email accounts, LFS, LFS Viewer, Steam and a virtual machine running all at the same time.

From my calculations a while back, 80GB SSD is bare minimum for a usable 64bit Windows 7 install. I recommend at least a 120GB one or you're likely to be having disk space issues after about a year.

Graphics I can't really comment on, other than the fact that SLI does not give you 2x the performance, but does use 2x the power.

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(2012-09-02 20:04)Kenwood Wrote:  Gamer i10 (though the 1333MHz RAM is below average for today's standards)

No stock CPU (except possibly some of the faster i7s, I'm not certain) needs more than 1333MHz RAM. Faster stuff is usually cheap and easy to come by, but there's no point in getting it unless you're going to overclock.

[KaraK [T]]

(2012-09-02 20:32)Elmo Wrote:  By that metric, he may as well spend 2 grand on a CPU, 3x €800 graphics cards, 64GB RAM a 512GB SSD and a couple of 3TB HDDs, because he *might* need it in future.

If you don't have anything better to spend the money on, why not?

[FR4NOx]

(2012-09-02 20:32)Elmo Wrote:  

(2012-09-02 20:04)Kenwood Wrote:  Gamer i10 (though the 1333MHz RAM is below average for today's standards)

No stock CPU (except possibly some of the faster i7s, I'm not certain) needs more than 1333MHz RAM. Faster stuff is usually cheap and easy to come by, but there's no point in getting it unless you're going to overclock.

I said that because most of the new 2012 prebuilt computers have been using 1600MHz RAM. Sure 1333 is plenty fast, I'm just going by what kind of ram most $800 computers use nowadays.

I believe that spending about $2000USD (or whatever the amount in your currency is) on a computer usually covers the cost of enough hardware that will still be relevant in 5 or so more years. (As long as you choose the right parts)

[Dowpy]

(2012-09-02 19:59)Crille Wrote:  Ye inet.se or komplett.se are the sites to buy from

Just wondering: Will BF3 be the most demanding game that you will play? Will you only run 1 monitor with 1920x1080? Will you be overclocking the processor or graphicscard?

BF3 will probably be the most demanding i THINK, i dont know.I play Wow, MW3, DayZ, CS:GO, etc so i think it will be yes. I will only run one monitor with 1920x1080, the other one is smaller. last thing now, NO overclocking

(2012-09-02 20:04)Kenwood Wrote:  Worthy of a look on Komplett.se:

Gamer i10 (though the 1333MHz RAM is below average for today's standards)
Gamer Premium BF3 Edition (same thing with the ram, and a slightly slower model i5, but TWO GTX 660 Ti's!)
Gamer i25 Crazy Edition (with the i7, 16Gb RAM, and the 670...sweet deal)

I personally prefer the i25 because it has the most RAM, the fastest RAM, the i7, and the GTX 670 (I prefer single card solutions instead of SLI/CrossFireX) and seems to be the best in the long run (great if you want to keep the thing for 10 years). I think it's the best deal. I'm not sure if most games support SLI/Xfire, anyway.

The BF3 edition is best for pure gaming performance with two graphics cards, and the i10 is the cheapest one, but still very capable.

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On Inet:

http://www.inet.se/produkt/1517099/tauru...0-i5-3570k
**Overclockable!**

Looks like that's the best performing one in your budget, you can save 1000SEK by going with the 660 Ti in the model under it.

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From both sites, the Komplett Gamer i25 looks like the best deal.

By the way, were you planning on overclocking?

Ye, Gamer Premium BF3 Edition,that one looks sweet to me, i didnt found the i25 so i cant look on it, And that Taurus ultra, I've already thinking bout ordering that for some weeks now BUT the only thing is that u cant change stuffs in it if u want to because they are already built there, inet said something like that so i dont really want that ultra, but if i find the i25 i will probably go for it or Gamer Premium BF3 Edition, if u guys dont find another one that u think is good, as i said i dont want any lag especially on BF3 and those games, Last thing, No overclocking

[FR4NOx]

Scroll down a bit: http://www.komplett.se/k/cl.aspx?bn=10627

Edit: You can change parts if you wish to, there's no ball-and-chain on the hardware, lol.

[Dowpy]

Ah, im currently looking on these
http://www.komplett.se/k/ci.aspx?sku=10682
http://www.komplett.se/k/ci.aspx?sku=10674
and if iam a goodboy my mom hopefully will add some to this

http://www.komplett.se/k/ci.aspx?sku=10580

is it worth it?