2012-12-15, 20:19
Fair play, I guess we can all agree to disagree and move on with our lives - something that 28 people do not have the chance to do now.
(2012-12-15 20:08)Blade3562 Wrote: [ -> ]And supporting my point about gun laws. The massacre in china was over 20 people with a knife...So I have to cut my steak with a spoon according to your theory. Criminals can still get the goods if they are illegal, but good people cannot, so how could we be protected? Our police response time is 15 minutes in our town if you are lucky. And we only have 20,000-50,000 people!
(2012-12-15 20:08)Blade3562 Wrote: [ -> ]I could care less about what people think about my viewpoints, I'm a realist. I work at a gas station while in college and have watched people abuse the system to buy junk food, alcohol, an such all on my dime. My sister has dyslexia as well, and yet the schools barely did anything and she lost the privilege in high school. My parents make too much money for me to qualify or any help or assistance, I had no support from the school with my want to succeed. Yet there were 20 special needs children who had an entire floor and a massive staff. I know they have different needs, but we were using textbooks from the 90s in 2011 while they got brand new technology yearly. I'm not trying to say ditch them or anything, but America has slipped back in education because of situations like this.
But audio jack validated my point. Society in Europe has a totally different view from over here. Europe is founded around the whole, while America is to succeed as an individual.
And supporting my point about gun laws. The massacre in china was over 20 people with a knife...So I have to cut my steak with a spoon according to your theory. Criminals can still get the goods if they are illegal, but good people cannot, so how could we be protected? Our police response time is 15 minutes in our town if you are lucky. And we only have 20,000-50,000 people!
(2012-12-15 17:32)Blade3562 Wrote: [ -> ]You also have to consider how much larger the US is and how many different cultures and lifestyles are hear.
(2012-12-16 09:56)KaraK Wrote: [ -> ]To be fair... There are a lot more people living in the US than there are in Western countries.
Thus many more retards walking around who are able to get a gun.
Here's a nice article, about the mass shooting incidents in the last 25 years.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news...92635.aspx
16 incidents (17 with this one included). 6 out of 17 happened in the USA, 9 happened in Europe, 1 in Asia and 1 in Australia.
Right now, there are 314,949,477 people living in the US. 502,519,900 people were living in the EU on January 1st, 2011. (And 33,400,000 living in Canada, just for Sinoco's argument)
You're all saying how America is stupid to have these gun laws which fail to prevent shootings, but if you look at what I wrote above, the EU has the same problem.
You're all talking here like you've forgotten what happened in Norway, or Germany a few years back.
Why has this thread turned into some sort of political debate about gun laws in the US? Surely this thread was made to raise awareness of what happened, and not to discuss how the US should solve this problem. Every country has this problem, however as the US is so much bigger than Britain, there's more possibility of it occuring over there.
(2012-12-16 13:08)Blade3562 Wrote: [ -> ]The ignorance displayed is just pathetic. So much so that I created a thread to start showing some of our 100 plus firearms it got deleted. People couldn't even take a laugh about the zombie apocolypse.
(2012-12-16 13:16)KaraK Wrote: [ -> ]It didn't get deleted, it got moved to the 16+ area.
(2012-12-16 13:33)Blade3562 Wrote: [ -> ]I have seen no concrete facts or proof. Just speculation and non official numbers. Iynorance is the fact that people think disarming everyone makes the world safe. I have several studies and proof that strict gun laws lead to more violence and crime. Europe has it's safety bubble that no one leaves. We live two totally different lifestyles. Understanding each one fully isn't possible.
I have enough information to debate this for years. I am one of the few Americans who would rather speak the truth than not defend himself. But that isn't the point of this thread. Someone went crazy and it's unfortunate what happened.
Here's another good article, no definate statistics in it. Just explains my viewpoint from a nicer persoective. http://www.policymic.com/mobile/articles...ent-crimes
(2012-12-16 13:33)Blade3562 Wrote: [ -> ]I have seen no concrete facts or proof. Just speculation and non official numbers. Iynorance is the fact that people think disarming everyone makes the world safe. I have several studies and proof that strict gun laws lead to more violence and crime. Europe has it's safety bubble that no one leaves. We live two totally different lifestyles. Understanding each one fully isn't possible.
Wikipedia Wrote:Ignorance is a state of being uninformed (lack of knowledge).[1] The word ignorant is an adjective describing a person in the state of being unaware and is often used as an insult to describe individuals who deliberately ignore or disregard important information or facts. Ignoramus is commonly used in the US, the UK, and Ireland as a term for someone who is willfully ignorant.
(2012-12-16 13:08)Blade3562 Wrote: [ -> ]The ignorance displayed is just pathetic. It just shows the culture gap here is so large it will never be bridged. Another ex: Europe has how many speed cameras while the US is trying to outlaw them! The right to own firearms is something America was founded on when we broke away from England. The second amendment to the constitution and by far the best one. "the right to keep and bear arms" I do however believe firearm safety is severly lacking. I hate public ranges because people can be such idiots with something so powerful. Also on the culture gap, most of my liberal friends agree with my side on this situation for once. They actually think gun laws would hurt the public like I stated before.
Quote:Does anyone care? Nope. We pretend we didn't see it. We pretend we don't see anything. Whatever bothers us, we simply complain about it. What else can we do?That's the ignorance many outsiders (like Europe) see from Americans. Americans like to live a happy, easy life. Whatever bothers them is either spewed out to a psychologist or locked away like nuclear waste. Ignorance means we refuse to learn what we don't like. (I don't need to explain that one) So, this means we turn to guns. With a gun, we can almost instantly remove a threat.